I complained about most of the setup as it seemed to be rushed and some things were missed. This is only my opinion, I know a few others felt the same but they can speak up if they want. Do I want a "rebang" not really but this is why I had said before these should have been ran side by side and banged only new games on the Beta TWGS. Ice 9 has a good target audience and will get the players. V'Ger does a great job putting up with some of the difficult to please players and will eventually get it sorted out. Anything worth doing is worth doing right!