I was seeing 0ms ping times for all nodes for several releases, and now I am seeing 50ms for every node on v2.16:
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| Author: | Micro [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Ping Times |
I was seeing 0ms ping times for all nodes for several releases, and now I am seeing 50ms for every node on v2.16: Attachment: 50ms.gif [ 44.15 KiB | Viewed 18418 times ] |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
What is your latency emulation set to? Did you set it to 50 ms from the default 150 ms? I can't think of any changes I made to that code in the last few releases, but I'll double-check. |
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| Author: | Micro [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Yes, emulation is set to 50ms, and I probably had it set to 0 when I was seeing 0ms pings. |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Ok. It will never show larger than the defined ping time. I'll look at that. It might make more sense to show the actual ping time even if it's over the threshold. But currently, if you have a low ping time set and most of your players have a true ping that's above that amount, it'll just show the defined ping time. I think that's what you're seeing. |
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| Author: | Micro [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
yeah, if it displayed actual ping times, I would know if I need to increase the emulation delay for the players in that game. Another problem is that the in game ping (i.e. proping.ts) also returns the emulation speed instead of the actual players ping. |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
I would assume the scripted ping measure would be the actual ping, not the ping setting from TW. So that's surprising. I could see the actual pings being < 50 ms but the ping script measuring everyone at 50 ms, because that's how it would work ideally. But if everyone is showing 50 ms, I'd expect everyone to be at or above 50 ms, meaning the ping script would measure values above that. So this is kind of unexpected and confusing. |
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| Author: | Comet [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Also might wanna check your conneciton Micro. I've had some bad lag issues.. It's been periodical raning 200-300 ish.. I've checked my ocnneciton more than once and it's been fine.. |
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| Author: | Helix [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Comet wrote: Also might wanna check your conneciton Micro. I've had some bad lag issues.. It's been periodical raning 200-300 ish.. I've checked my ocnneciton more than once and it's been fine.. Comet you should run a tracetr to micro's server to make sure the lag isn't caused by some point between you two. H |
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| Author: | Vid Kid [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
I have a game set to 150 ms and most players read as 150ms except one guy who plays from New Zealand , he comes on as 128ms and every so often the scale updates (default of 1 second I think) and it bounces to 138 , 131 , 130 , 128 So I'm going to guess if you set your limit to a reasonable rate ... only those who are under the limit will fluctuate all others will show the limit. As with others I had thought that that ping scale would show actual ping times. |
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| Author: | Comet [ Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Helix wrote: Comet wrote: Also might wanna check your conneciton Micro. I've had some bad lag issues.. It's been periodical raning 200-300 ish.. I've checked my ocnneciton more than once and it's been fine.. Comet you should run a tracetr to micro's server to make sure the lag isn't caused by some point between you two. H Thank you I will do that |
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| Author: | Micro [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
It was slow earlier, but it seems to be better now: Attachment: Capture.GIF [ 13.78 KiB | Viewed 18360 times ] |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
So with those pings, you should see some at less than 50 ms. |
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| Author: | Micro [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
I am saw one player at 38ms a minute ago. Sometimes I get an Oklahoma City player at about 10-20ms. I set the emulation back to 150ms, and I can see most my players are 50-75ms ATM: Attachment: Capture.GIF [ 2.23 KiB | Viewed 18353 times ] I'm going to set emulation to 75ms, which will limit lag for most players. It might be nice to allow a formula to be used to set the emulation based on average player ping, or a max ping, or maybe discard the fastest and slowest x players and then use the average ping. That way the game could run faster if there aren't very many slow connections. |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
Relative to v1.03, a 150 ms ping shouldn't be too bad. That's because there is a random delay of from 0 to 250 ms for any command received by TW, and that averages out to about 125 ms. But that delay is compounded with the actual ping time, it doesn't absorb it like the new ping setting does. So even at 150 ms, I expect it to perform as well as v1.03 in general. The whole point of this setting is to allow you to level the playing field so your faster ping players don't have so much of an advantage over the slower ping players. If you don't want that, set this to 0. I do think it should be consistent in a given game, though. I don't think it's fair for player A to be able to play with 20 ms pings while player B can't do better than 150 ms pings. If you don't think that's an issue, don't use ping emulation at all. But if you want to level it, I think it's better that it's consistent. I'm sure I could do a dynamic ping setting, but I don't know that it would be useful. |
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| Author: | Micro [ Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ping Times |
In example, say a game has 2 players: A - 45ms ping B - 65ms ping A setting of 150 or higher would give them unecessary lag, but a setting of 75 would put them on even ground. Now let's say a third player connects: C - 146ms ping This third player would be at a disavantage, but if the emulation was dynamic and changed to 150 when the third player connected everyone would be on the same ground again. When the third players leaves it could switch back to a lower setting again because the extra lag is no longer needed. |
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