ok i was on a planet smashing mission, to pop 10 planets in an enemy base 30 seconds before extern. to be honest, my macro was too ambitious and i screwed it up and i was photonned 1 hop out. what you see below is after the wave duration is ended, i recover 125 turns at extern but i still can't xport out or twarp out. the 'I' screen clearly shows that i have 125 turns, but anything i try to do tells me i am out of turns. i had to call for a planet pickup.

You recover 125 of your turns.

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[....] (?=Help)? : D
<Re-Display>

Sector  : .... in uncharted space.
Planets : (M) nn
Fighters: 1 (belong to Corp#1, ......) [Defensive]
Warps to Sector(s) :  (....) - ....

For consorting with slime in your Corp your Experience went down by 347
The Federation We destroyed your Corp's 1 Limpet mines in sector .....
DO NOT deploy mines on the major Space Lanes!
The Federation We destroyed your Corp's 1 Limpet mines in sector .....
DO NOT deploy mines on the major Space Lanes!
The Federation We destroyed your Corp's 1 fighters in sector .....
DO NOT deploy fighters on the major Space Lanes!
The Federation We destroyed your Corp's 1 Limpet mines in sector .....
DO NOT deploy mines on the major Space Lanes!

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[3946] (?=Help)? : X

You enter the Transporter room on your ship and warm up the imaging
coils.  Trying to forget how much you hate beaming, you activate the
primary console

<Transport to Ship>

Your Imperial StarShip has a transport range of 15 hops.

                        --<  Available Ship Scan  >--
Ship  Sect Name                  Fighters Shields Hops Type
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  34  .... Deadstar        Corp      47T       0   15  Interdictor Cruiser

<I> Ship details
<Q> Exit Transporter

Choose which ship to beam to (Q=Quit) 34
You don't have any turns left!
Your Imperial StarShip has a transport range of 15 hops.

                        --<  Available Ship Scan  >--
Ship  Sect Name                  Fighters Shields Hops Type
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  34  .... Deadstar        Corp      47T       0   15  Interdictor Cruiser

<I> Ship details
<Q> Exit Transporter

Choose which ship to beam to (Q=Quit) Q


Command [TL=00:00:00]:[3946] (?=Help)? : I
<Info>

Trader Name    : Chief Warrant Officer rev
Rank and Exp   : 2,992 points, Alignment=1,390 Unselfish
Times Blown Up : 1
Corp           # 3, ....
Ship Name      : Revolations
Ship Info      : Antarian Imperial StarShip Ported=5 Kills=0
Date Built     : 11:22:41 PM Sun Sep 27, 2020
Turns to Warp  : 4
Current Sector : ....
Turns left     : 125
Total Holds    : 100 - Fuel Ore=100
Fighters       : 50,000
Shield points  : 2,000
Armid Mines  T1: 125
Photon Missiles: 1
Atomic Detn.   : 2                      Corbomite Level: 1500
Mine Disruptors: 6
Planet Scanner : Yes
LongRange Scan : Holographic Scanner
TransWarp Power
  (Type 1 Jump): 33 hops
Credits        : 810,000

Hrm, wonder if it would've done the same if you had hit M instead of X.

Rev seen this a couple times when I was playing on Ultimate, I would get turns after eating a photon (my own usually). TWX and Swath both showed I had turns, tried everything to get to move or xport, finally I did an exit enter and it worked. Must be a glitch when it is that close to extern. Since the 2 times I can think of were both in the same situation right before extern was getting ready to run.

That's why I wondered if it would've done the same w/ the M command, hehe. I wonder if hitting M0^M before the xport would've reset the turn status.

There's a lot of things attached to a move event or a sector entry event. I've seen a handful of little bugs (like how planet status updates during landing but not sector entry) over the years regarding these, and how some things updated in one event are not updated on other events (like xport)... leading to a situation like the above.

If you get a chance to test the various permutations, it'd be interesting to see the results. Eat a torp and see what it takes to finally reset the "no turns" status. I'm sure exit-enter would do it, since a sector entry triggers practically everything, but that might not be good if you're sitting in an enemy figged sector and worried about eating a torp on return.

i tried moving by typing in a sector number, but i didn't actually use the "m" command.

i tried the exit/enter, but in doing so i picked up another limpet and in turn i ate another photon which took away my 125 turns. hehe.

Thanks! I was wondering how you managed to do that!

I ran into this in a private game with friends on my server - we were curious so I tried different settings to prove our theory. The theory is that you will be unable to move REGARDLESS OF TURN STATUS for the same number of minutes as the number of seconds photons are set to. So, if photons are set to 5 seconds - then you will be disabled for 5 minutes of game time, EVEN if you regain turns in less than 5 minutes. At the end of the 5 minutes you can then move with your newly acquired turns. If photons are set to 3 seconds, then that means you will be dead in the water for 3 minutes, if 10 seconds = 10 minutes!

so, did you prove the theory?

It kind of sounds like what happens in an unlim game, you technically have turns, but can't use them until the ptorp wears off: 2 second ptorp, 2 minutes that you can't move (in most cases).

I'm just guessing, but rgorion probably used something like a 10 second ptorp 5 minutes before the hour to verify.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

That isn't a theory. In an unlimited turn game, if you are ptorped, you will lose your turns for the remainder of the 1st minute until the minutes add up to be the the same as the number of seconds the photon wave duration is set at. So if you are torped at 30 seconds after the game clock hits the top of the minute, you won't be able to move for 3 1/2 minutes if the photon wave is set to 4 seconds.

In a turn game, you lose all your turns until the top of the hour then you gain 1 hours worth of turns.

Setup: 10 second photon launched 2 minutes before extern:

(Sorry about the messy cut & paste - was using telnet).

Wolfen launched a P-Missile in sector 9263 damaging your ship.
Photon Wave Duration : 9 seconds in sector 9263
Photon Wave Duration : 5 seconds in sector 9263
Photon Wave Duration has ended in sector 9263

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? T

11:57:51 PM Thu Oct 08, 2020

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? Q

<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? :

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : I
<Info>

Trader Name : Civilian test2
Rank and Exp : 0 points, Alignment=0 Neutral
Ship Name : dust
Ship Info : North American Aircraft AT-6 Texan Ported=0 Kills=0
Date Built : 11:54:08 PM Thu Oct 08, 2020
Turns to Warp : 3
Current Sector : 9263
Turns left : 0
Total Holds : 30 - Empty=30
Fighters : 200
Credits : 3,000

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? :

You recover 125 of your turns.

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : M
<Move>
You don't have enough turns left.

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : I
<Info>

Trader Name : Civilian test2
Rank and Exp : 0 points, Alignment=0 Neutral
Ship Name : dust
Ship Info : North American Aircraft AT-6 Texan Ported=0 Kills=0
Date Built : 11:54:08 PM Thu Oct 08, 2020
Turns to Warp : 3
Current Sector : 9263
Turns left : 125
Total Holds : 30 - Empty=30
Fighters : 200
Credits : 3,000

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? :

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? T

00:01:00 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)? Q

<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : M
<Move>
You don't have enough turns left.

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? T

00:05:24 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? Q
<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)?
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)?

00:08:48 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020


Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)?

<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[10107] (?=Help)? : M
<Move>
Warps to Sector(s) : (4908) - 9263
To which Sector [9262] ? 1

That Warp Lane is not adjacent.

Computed.

The shortest path (13 hops, 26 turns) from sector 10107 to sector 1 is:
10107 > 9263 > 14546 > 18591 > 19851 > 3657 > 8499 > 8881 > 4474 > 10038 >
9908 > 8 > 2 > 1

Engage the Autopilot? (Y/N/Single step/Express) [Y] N

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

There is actually at least one situation in an unlim where you can be torped and not lose time.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

So if this thing resembles the unlim bug, can you regain your turns if you change sectors?

Yeah. I launched a ptorp 3 1/2 minutes before the top of the hour on this test, and then towed the torped "player" out of the sector. When the turns showed up, the "player" was able to move even though the ptorp time would not have been up. (I did not cut my towing data)

Wolfen warps out of the sector.
Wolfen launched a P-Missile in sector 9263 damagi
Photon Wave Duration : 9 seconds in sector 9263
Photon Wave Duration : 5 seconds in sector 9263

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? T

00:56:30 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020


Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? Q

<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? I
Photon Wave Duration has ended in sector 9263

What sector do you wish to examine? [9263]
Sector 9263 has warps to sector(s) : 10107 - 137

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? Q

<Computer deactivated>

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[9263] (?=Help)? : M
<Move>
You don't have enough turns left.
Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[4908] (?=Help)? T

00:59:59 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020


Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[4908] (?=Help)? Q

<Computer deactivated>

You recover 125 of your turns.

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[4908] (?=Help)? : M
<Move>
Warps to Sector(s) : (896) - (1336) - (10107) - (15477)
To which Sector [9263] ? 123

That Warp Lane is not adjacent.

Computed.

The shortest path (13 hops, 39 turns) from sector 4908 to sector 123 is:
4908 > (1336) > (17810) > (7424) > (13478) > (11573) > (443) > (890) >
(14655) > (13022) > (10877) > (5079) > (2181) > (123)

Engage the Autopilot? (Y/N/Single step/Express) [Y] N

Command [TL=00:00:00]:[4908] (?=Help)? : C
<Computer>

<Computer activated>

Computer command [TL=00:00:00]:[4908] (?=Help)? T

01:00:11 AM Fri Oct 09, 2020

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Laff. Can you confirm exit-enter works?