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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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 Sysops playing their own server?
Back in the day, we trusted Jake to play with us on Fament.
Stoneslinger plays on his server - albeit part-time.
Do any others play on their own public servers or just private games?
I put a server up, just a couple of games to get a feel for this new server and the settings I've choosen. Game A is the Lobby - meeting place I expect will become a "hang-out" of sorts when the low turn/times games are opened. I copied game A to game P - Cruncher's Private Game - clearly titled so players know I'm in this on playing.
To my surprise, players are gravitating to the game I'm in.
So, what are your thoughts? If you trusted the sysop, would you play a game with them?
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| Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:11 am |
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T0yman
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Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:06 pm Posts: 2059 Location: Oklahoma
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
We tried to convince V'Ger to play a few games on his and he just flat out refused, didn't want anyone starting rumors that he might be cheating. We gave him crap about it, but at the end of the day I respected his decision. I played a few games on mine just to see what was going on since I don't like watching the spy node. People seem to express easier to get a feel for what going on when and what players really think when your not the Sysop.
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Promethius
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Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:00 am Posts: 3141 Location: Kansas
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
It depends on the sysOp's maturity level on how much I would trust them to play on their own server. I've ran into blatent editing by Ops and that left a very bad impression.
The Op would most likely have a serious advantage due to playing local, but if they stay out of T-Edit, then I don't have an issue. In an unlim they have more of an advantage than they would in a low to mid-range turn game.
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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
Promethius wrote: It depends on the sysOp's maturity level on how much I would trust them to play on their own server. I've ran into blatent editing by Ops and that left a very bad impression.
The Op would most likely have a serious advantage due to playing local, but if they stay out of T-Edit, then I don't have an issue. In an unlim they have more of an advantage than they would in a low to mid-range turn game. Yeah, mapping screamed, but in-game ping is 140, which makes me wonder because I set to a constant 150.
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| Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:20 pm |
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Farley
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Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:01 am Posts: 425
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
I dont mind if a sysop plays in games designated as such, but I wont play on a server where the sysop may pop in under dif names at dif times.
I hear the whole ping advantage is gone with the new game, but there are 2 servers in particular that I have been SD'd on within 15 mins of the sysop starting and 20 mins after I started. I just couldn't cash fast enough. One of these, the op was just screwing around, and CBY'ed right after he ruined the game for me.
I wont play on a server that the sysop plays any and all games again.
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Master Blaster
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Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:00 am Posts: 419 Location: Denver Colorado
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
I like playing TW on my server but I also respect those that do not wish it. I'm always in one of my games and always list my name as Master Blaster so others know. Usually it's to beat a specific bang configuration to death to see how ti does.
I only enter other games as an observer or to perform an administrative functions.
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| Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:44 pm |
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John Pritchett
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Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2000 3:00 am Posts: 3151 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
Quote: I hear the whole ping advantage is gone with the new game So, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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| Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:47 pm |
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Cruncher
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Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 4016 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
John Pritchett wrote: Quote: I hear the whole ping advantage is gone with the new game So, is that a good thing or a bad thing? If you're playing on your own server with your players, that's a good thing. They can trust that you don't have that in-game advantage.
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| Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:12 am |
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Mind Dagger
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Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:00 am Posts: 136 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
John Pritchett wrote: Quote: I hear the whole ping advantage is gone with the new game So, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Anything that puts all the players closer to the same starting point is a good thing IMO. MD
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| Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:13 am |
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Micro
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Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:19 pm Posts: 2559 Location: Oklahoma City, OK 73170 US
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
I agree it's a good thing.
Has anyone tested cashing speed in the new version on nodes with different pings?
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| Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:58 pm |
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traveller
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Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 82 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
A sysop pay's for the server so he/she should play on it if he/she wants to and you as a player choose's to play that game or not.
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| Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:09 pm |
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Singularity
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Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 5558 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
As long as it's known that a sysop is playing in a game, there's no problem. People can make the choice as to whether they want to play or not. The problem occurs when the sysop plays without making it known ahead of time.
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Master Blaster
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Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:00 am Posts: 419 Location: Denver Colorado
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
Honestly, I think it comes down to the reputation of the respective host. I would have no trouble playing against someone like Cruncher because I know here and know she would never use the advantage but might be a little wary of someone I have no experience with.
On the other hand, it is just a game and even way back in the beginning, people took the game way too serious and threats of violence were a common occurrence.
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Micro
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Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:19 pm Posts: 2559 Location: Oklahoma City, OK 73170 US
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
Yeah, some people take this game WAY to seriously.
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| Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:53 pm |
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Singularity
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Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 5558 Location: USA
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 Re: Sysops playing their own server?
Master Blaster wrote: Honestly, I think it comes down to the reputation of the respective host. I would have no trouble playing against someone like Cruncher because I know here and know she would never use the advantage but might be a little wary of someone I have no experience with. Yeh, but how can you know that if nobody tells you about it first? Sysops should always disclose stuff like that. People only get angry because they've put time in, if they play a game where the sysop is playing and they've known about it from the beginning then they've got no one to blame but themselves.
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