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| Author: | Cruncher [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Boting Teammates... |
Farley wrote: I would probably play if my corp didnt mind botting me most weekends...laff If you're botted, then YOU're not playing. LOL Edit: Please stick to the topic - Helix |
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| Author: | Cruncher [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Cruncher wrote: Farley wrote: I would probably play if my corp didnt mind botting me most weekends...laff If you're botted, then YOU're not playing. LOL Edit: Please stick to the topic - Helix My appologies, didn't notice the game type "BYOC dupe chess game". |
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| Author: | Muss [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Cruncher wrote: Cruncher wrote: Farley wrote: I would probably play if my corp didnt mind botting me most weekends...laff If you're botted, then YOU're not playing. LOL Edit: Please stick to the topic - Helix My appologies, didn't notice the game type "BYOC dupe chess game". still. you better get used to the bot. whether you're they type who thinks that being a bot is actually playing or not.. its here to stay.. nothing you can do.. best thing you can do is learn to use it. |
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| Author: | Cruncher [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Muss wrote: still. you better get used to the bot. whether you're they type who thinks that being a bot is actually playing or not.. its here to stay.. nothing you can do.. best thing you can do is learn to use it. I use some Mombot scripts - buy, mega & neg I've been botted and have botted - not my cup-0-tea. Unlims don't interest me either. I have no idea what a bot chess game is, but I'm pretty sure that's not the style game I would enjoy. And yes, there is something I can do, I can play games with settings that more closely suit the style I prefer to play, just as you can. This forcing a way of playing on people has got to come to a stop. And you wonder why players leave... |
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| Author: | Muss [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
So you playing the non bot type of game is going to force others to turn away from bot play and start playing your way? and this 'bot play' is why people quit tw? |
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| Author: | Farley [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Cruncher wrote: I use some Mombot scripts - buy, mega & neg dont forget pdrop. Cruncher wrote: And yes, there is something I can do, I can play games with settings that more closely suit the style I prefer to play, just as you can. if you like to play alone, why dont you start your own server? Cruncher wrote: This forcing a way of playing on people has got to come to a stop. ahh, but you want to force others to play without using aggressive scripts by adapting the game so they wont work? how hypocritical is that? Cruncher wrote: And you wonder why players leave... no, I dont wonder. laff. I am glad to see JP has figured out what you are really about and has unwound himself from your pinkie. |
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| Author: | Mind Dagger [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
I always find this distaste of bots interesting. I mean I can understand not wanting to play against a program instead of a person, but if you can get beat by a bunch of unmanned bots you weren't going to win the game anyway. At least one player must be online to make bots an effective tool, otherwise you are almost as good as offline. The bots today are essentially helpers, with the ability to bot as a side benefit. You have the ability to turn off botting access to corpies if you would like. In fact, I am sure most people who are playing solo games still fire up their bots as a quick way to access scripts and macros. I guess what my point is (though I realize I am rambling a bit) is that people are treating bots as if they are an automated player. Like it's true AI taking over the place of a person being at the keys. It is just another tool; one that can be used for good or ill at the discretion of the user. The only point that has been brought up that I agree with (probably by Promethius) is using bots as a way to dupe. If you just pull in people just to be botted so you can have a numbers advantage over someone in a game, that's a scummy tactic IMO. Obviously it's not a big surprise what stance I take on bots which I why I don't normally bother talking about it. But that's my 2 cents. MD |
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| Author: | Farley [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
Mind Dagger wrote: I always find this distaste of bots interesting. I mean I can understand not wanting to play against a program instead of a person, but if you can get beat by a bunch of unmanned bots you weren't going to win the game anyway. At least one player must be online to make bots an effective tool, otherwise you are almost as good as offline. The bots today are essentially helpers, with the ability to bot as a side benefit. You have the ability to turn off botting access to corpies if you would like. In fact, I am sure most people who are playing solo games still fire up their bots as a quick way to access scripts and macros. I guess what my point is (though I realize I am rambling a bit) is that people are treating bots as if they are an automated player. Like it's true AI taking over the place of a person being at the keys. It is just another tool; one that can be used for good or ill at the discretion of the user. The only point that has been brought up that I agree with (probably by Promethius) is using bots as a way to dupe. If you just pull in people just to be botted so you can have a numbers advantage over someone in a game, that's a scummy tactic IMO. Obviously it's not a big surprise what stance I take on bots which I why I don't normally bother talking about it. But that's my 2 cents. MD Ty. Bots are an essential tool for a corp comprised of adults that have families and different schedules. I cant play monday - friday from 7 am till 6 pm because I am working, spending time with the family, etc.... Some of my corpies can only play late at night/early in the morning. You form your corp well, and a human can be at keys through out the day. |
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| Author: | Cruncher [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
Farley wrote: Ty. Bots are an essential tool for a corp comprised of adults that have families and different schedules. I cant play monday - friday from 7 am till 6 pm because I am working, spending time with the family, etc.... Some of my corpies can only play late at night/early in the morning. You form your corp well, and a human can be at keys through out the day. And why is winning that all comsuming that you'd use a tactic that some would concider legalized duping? The game has turn banks, if you can't play because of family commitments etc, then your turns accumulate to be used when you do have time to play. My argument against botting player's will always be low turn time limit games with turn banks. |
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| Author: | Kavanagh [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
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| Author: | Cruncher [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Farley wrote: Cruncher wrote: I use some Mombot scripts - buy, mega & neg dont forget pdrop. And my ONLY successful pdrop was done manually. Cruncher wrote: And yes, there is something I can do, I can play games with settings that more closely suit the style I prefer to play, just as you can. Farley wrote: if you like to play alone, why dont you start your own server? I have one sitting right here next to me. I’m a player, not a network specialist, having trouble getting this server online. Cruncher wrote: This forcing a way of playing on people has got to come to a stop. Farley wrote: ahh, but you want to force others to play without using aggressive scripts by adapting the game so they wont work? how hypocritical is that? Not forcing, allowing a style of play that’s been lost to evolution. Cruncher wrote: And you wonder why players leave... Farley wrote: no, I dont wonder. laff. I am glad to see JP has figured out what you are really about and has unwound himself from your pinkie. JP is not wound around anyone’s pinky. But, I guess you don’t read the beta thread, he’s going to make a change that will break most every aggressive script there is right now by changing the way the game displayed a course plot. I’ve you’ve not visited the sector yet, you won’t be able to see the sector number, only (*). And yes, I do realize that clever scripters can get around this, but why bother if the only games using that setting are regulated builders games? FYI, regulated builders games are not my cup-0-tea either. I like aggressive games played against humans, not bots. |
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| Author: | booger [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
Cruncher wrote: But, I guess you don’t read the beta thread, he’s going to make a change that will break most every aggressive script there is right now by changing the way the game displayed a course plot. I’ve you’ve not visited the sector yet, you won’t be able to see the sector number, only (*). oh boy! shangri la time for TWs biggest hypocrite! seriously, she gets to spew this garbage but we cant have a smack forum? you CANT have a civil conversation with someone like this... incidentally imma laugh when you get your 'super cruncher playground' mode and still eat pods from the three other people who want that sort of thing. |
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| Author: | Helix [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Summer tournament... |
cruncher wrote: But, I guess you don’t read the beta thread, he’s going to make a change that will break most every aggressive script there is right now by changing the way the game displayed a course plot. I’ve you’ve not visited the sector yet, you won’t be able to see the sector number, only (*). That setting will not break any aggressive scripts, just make them faster. You can only pdrop to a sector in which you have a fig. or torp from a sector that has a fig, hence you have already visited it. The (*) will just make parsing the course faster. Lets stop with the insulting language please or the topic gets locked. H |
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| Author: | T0yman [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
Right now you can slow a p-drop and foton script without any added changes. Setting Z in T-Edit Option 2 Planet Move, High setting would put a hamper on that. Option 5 Photon Launch, High setting would put a hamper on that. There are a few others than can mess with some scripts, it won't break them but it will render them fairly useless. |
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| Author: | Farley [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Boting Teammates... |
Crunch crunch crunch, your credibility was tossed out the window the momment the world realized what a hypocrite you are. laff. Spew all you wish, its now falling on deaf ears. |
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