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I want to clarify my point of view!
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Author:  Micro [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  I want to clarify my point of view!
I am NOT against scripting! What I'm actually against is the players that say we don't care what rules you make, we're going to do whatever we want as long as the game allows it.

I am against many of the underhanded down-low and dirty tactics being used primarily by scripters. That's why I run closed games that have additional rules specified. I also run open un-regulated games, and the only rules I have in those games is no dupes, and no bug use.

If you play pool in a tournament, you have to play by tournament rules. If you play in a bar, you play by bar rules. I have a pool table in my living room, and when we play in my house we play whatever rules we want.

So play whatever kind of game you want, but always abide by the GameOp's rules. Let's try not to drive new and returning players away from the game.
Author:  Mark Faber [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Well said !
MHF
Author:  rem0te [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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Thats common sense no? There is no point in reminding people to use common... oh wait :P
Author:  John Pritchett [ Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:44 am ]
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I agree with that 100%.
Author:  Crosby [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:35 pm ]
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Quote:
I am against many of the underhanded down-low and dirty tactics being used primarily by scripters.


So is there a public script that you have a problem with?
What tactics exactly do you have a problem with?

I have a hard time agreeing to such a vague clarification.
I'm against dirty tricks, like CBY cashing for example
...but c'mon, things like CLV data gathering has been called questionable lately.
Author:  Singularity [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:14 pm ]
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Cros, it's very easy to understand. Here we have people unwilling to think past a few very simple roadblocks. Rather than deal with an issue, they call it cheating, or unfair, or try to modify the game, edit, etc, to do away with it. It's like the guy that gets plastered by a photon, then starts a server and disables photons in all of his games for the next 6 months. A lot of people do it, it's a TW cliche.

Normally it only lasts a few months, but at the moment here's a full TW moon that's brought a confluence of newbliness. Fortunately, it won't last forever. Once JP finishes the beta and people realize they can't get their wacky ideas twisted into game settings, it'll settle down.

And CBY cashing isn't a dirty trick, lol. If a sysop doesn't intend for people to CBY cash, he/she can either add a death delay, reduce the amount of cash and figs people start with, or add a death limit
Author:  Micro [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:36 pm ]
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Crosby wrote:
What tactics exactly do you have a problem with?

Anything that wasn't intended by the game designers. I know that's very vague, but I'm really not in the mood to argue over weather or not the designer intended you to make money by blowing yourself up, etc... etc...
Author:  Helix [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:44 pm ]
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Crosby wrote:
Quote:
...but c'mon, things like CLV data gathering has been called questionable lately.


Even Jesus wouldn't subspace crawl.

H
Author:  Crosby [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:13 pm ]
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Quote:
Anything that wasn't intended by the game designers. I know that's very vague, but I'm really not in the mood to argue over weather or not the designer intended you to make money by blowing yourself up, etc... etc...


So you're in the mood to start a post to clarify your point of view, but not
to actually clarify it?

Look, I understand your point of view; you like people playing in your
'pool tournament' to play by your rules. But if you don't have a
rule against it, the first time you see a masse done well, you're gonna
call cheat, or am i mixing metaphors too much?

Some players like to win, and have the time on their hands to take some
extreme measures to be the best... like alarms set up to wake them up
if someone hits a fig. Is that cheating? Or some fierce dedication to the
'grid defense?' Heck, I heard a rumor about someone having a Mt Dew
bottle near the computer if he had to go during serious battle....

So is it underhanded, or extreme dedication to the win? There really should
be some reward for bringing a group of 5 or 6 guys together and winning game after game...

c'mon, one public script that is underhanded? TAG?
Author:  Singularity [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:27 pm ]
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Crosby wrote:
c'mon, one public script that is underhanded? TAG?


I love it when ppl run that script to knock me off. Fire up
ram's passive gridder, turn on the saveme option, crank
up the cannon on the planet. Mow around, let them chase
after me and eat cannon. Done and done.

Tag is only a problem in truces, but then again truces are
unnatural to begin with.
Author:  Micro [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Crosby wrote:
Look, I understand your point of view; you like people playing in your 'pool tournament' to play by your rules. But if you don't have a
rule against it, the first time you see a masse done well, you're gonna
call cheat, or am i mixing metaphors too much?

Actually it's more about the Chicken Fajitas and Guacamole!
The table is just an excuse to have my friends over.
Author:  Crosby [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Quote:
Even Jesus wouldn't subspace crawl.


An actual SS-crawler script would just be a collossal waste of time.
I'd far rather my corpies split up ztm duties and got the corp a good
map...

iirc Helixs' famous 'crawler' script actually was 'burst ss-blurber' that
just macroed the same message to each channel and changed the channel.
There was no 'listening' involved. What a huge psych out though..one for
the record books.

I think it's easy enough nowadays to change the corp channel
prior to daily cashing...period.
If my opponents want to waste the time to try to listen,
well they don't concern me.


Sing, Re:TAG wrote:
I love it when ppl run that script to knock me off.


Didn't JP fix this in the new Beta?


Finally:

Quote:
your point of view; you like people playing in your 'pool tournament' to play by your rules.


I totally agree that when playing on server, you should obey the server's rules.
However, you had better have a spash page somewhere with your rules posted clearly.
Author:  Big D [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Now I'll make my point. You have a server, you make a lot of rules that are unenforcable, you have very few players after awhile. FACT!
Author:  Big D [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Crosby wrote:
I think it's easy enough nowadays to change the corp channel
prior to daily cashing...period.


Even better, do like I did and write a script that everyone on the corp runs in the background that randomly changes the corp channel by communicating by private hail. Subspace crawler script is old news for those smart enough to deal with it.
R cros mac qq**cby**
Author:  Micro [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: I want to clarify my point of view!
Big D wrote:
Now I'll make my point. You have a server, you make a lot of rules that are unenforcable, you have very few players after awhile. FACT!

...and that my friend is the BIG problem!
as a GameOP, I don't have the tools I would need to monitor a game.
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