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Unread post Re: Sub Space Crawler Supreme
Big D wrote:
Since Helix released his sub space crawler, I've decided to release an even better one.

JP says sub space crawling is part of the game so might as well make a good one.

After the ICE tourney, I'll release sscrawlsupreme.cts

Features:
1) User can start at any channel number.
2) Can increment channel numbers or work in reverse order.
3) A delay option ranging (0 delay to 3 second delay on each channel)
4) Option to start by bot and report over sub com any findings.
5) Will save any responses to file.


YA BigD very very nice, i love all the features!!!!!!!! Its Much better then the latest public version ROFL

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Big D wrote:
Since Helix released his sub space crawler, I've decided to release an even better one.

JP says sub space crawling is part of the game so might as well make a good one.

After the ICE tourney, I'll release sscrawlsupreme.cts

Features:
1) User can start at any channel number.
2) Can increment channel numbers or work in reverse order.
3) A delay option ranging (0 delay to 3 second delay on each channel)
4) Option to start by bot and report over sub com any findings.
5) Will save any responses to file.



too late man, bought one at wallmart last night for $24.99, but the little smiley face dropped it down to $19.48 after rebate.

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im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


Big D wrote:
I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.

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im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


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I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.


Not trying to turn this into smack or anything SG, but... I do believe that it was stated by the current owner of the software that ss crawling was now considered fair play.

I, too, would have thought it was a cheat tactic until I was told by the designer that it was not. Therefor, the rules have been changed.

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Space Ghost wrote:
im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


Big D wrote:
I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.


Not trying to turn this into smack or anything SG, but... I do believe that it was stated by the current owner of the software that ss crawling was now considered fair play.

I, too, would have thought it was a cheat tactic until I was told by the designer that it was not. Therefor, the rules have been changed.

2cents.


Well does this apply to other aspects of the game that the Auther says is Bug Use? ie Riding the Shields of a Planet? Amoung MANY MANY other Tactics that Players in Todays Game use that the Auther Doesnt Agree with and considers them as BUGS. Are the players who use these widely accepted Tactics Now Cheaters becuase of the Views of the Auther? It's a pretty fair Question don't you think?

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Space Ghost wrote:
im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


I stand by my statements, JP has his reasons for saying what he says but he is not a player in the game therefore I won't change my mind. I will not play on a corp that is using one either. If I find I am on a corp that is using a SS crawler or sniffer searching for a SS channel to gain a tactical advantage I will leave that game. No hard feelings towards anyone that is using or not I just prefer not to be part of it, freedom of choice and I choose to say "NO".

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Space Ghost wrote:
Farley wrote:
Space Ghost wrote:
im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


Big D wrote:
I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.


Not trying to turn this into smack or anything SG, but... I do believe that it was stated by the current owner of the software that ss crawling was now considered fair play.

I, too, would have thought it was a cheat tactic until I was told by the designer that it was not. Therefor, the rules have been changed.

2cents.


Well does this apply to other aspects of the game that the Auther says is Bug Use? ie Riding the Shields of a Planet? Amoung MANY MANY other Tactics that Players in Todays Game use that the Auther Doesnt Agree with and considers them as BUGS. Are the players who use these widely accepted Tactics Now Cheaters becuase of the Views of the Auther? It's a pretty fair Question don't you think?


My views are that the topic was brought up as a suggestion to change the game to not allow subspace crawling. The author said that this is a viable tactic and that it would not be changed, so now I consider it part of the game and something that remain part of the game. I will use whatever tactics that I feel my competition will use,. Now if it is generally accepted that subspace crawling is wrong, then I would comply, but that isn't the case, so I will use this tactic in the future.

Thanks for asking.


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T0yman wrote:
Space Ghost wrote:
im just wondering if since the Auther stated to you that it was part of the game. If you still Belive in the things you have posted in the past about the actions. Or is it a case that the Authers Veiw on the Matter has changed how you feel about the morals of the players who do such things and i was wondering about the corralation between the two. RE Is one dependent on the other? Does the authers View of *other* things like say...Riding the Shields of a planet.. Change how you feel about the in game actions of players doing so?


I stand by my statements, JP has his reasons for saying what he says but he is not a player in the game therefore I won't change my mind. I will not play on a corp that is using one either. If I find I am on a corp that is using a SS crawler or sniffer searching for a SS channel to gain a tactical advantage I will leave that game. No hard feelings towards anyone that is using or not I just prefer not to be part of it, freedom of choice and I chose to say "NO".


Thats Awsome T0yman !! Thats Called having the Courage of your Convicitons!! I applaude anyone who has the courage to stand by thier own Convictions. Wether or not i or the Auther of the Software or ANYONE say YOU stand by your own values.kudos!

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Big D wrote:
I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.

Well does this apply to other aspects of the game that the Auther says is Bug Use? ie Riding the Shields of a Planet? Amoung MANY MANY other Tactics that Players in Todays Game use that the Auther Doesnt Agree with and considers them as BUGS. Are the players who use these widely accepted Tactics Now Cheaters becuase of the Views of the Auther? It's a pretty fair Question don't you think?[/quote]
Big D wrote:

I will use whatever tactics that I feel my competition will use.


Gotcha....

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Space Ghost wrote:
Well does this apply to other aspects of the game that the Auther says is Bug Use? ie Riding the Shields of a Planet? Amoung MANY MANY other Tactics that Players in Todays Game use that the Auther Doesnt Agree with and considers them as BUGS. Are the players who use these widely accepted Tactics Now Cheaters becuase of the Views of the Auther? It's a pretty fair Question don't you think?



Was just an observation. I am not going to argue the point.

Good luck to your team in ICE.

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Space Ghost wrote:
Big D wrote:
I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.

Well does this apply to other aspects of the game that the Auther says is Bug Use? ie Riding the Shields of a Planet? Amoung MANY MANY other Tactics that Players in Todays Game use that the Auther Doesnt Agree with and considers them as BUGS. Are the players who use these widely accepted Tactics Now Cheaters becuase of the Views of the Auther? It's a pretty fair Question don't you think?

Big D wrote:

I will use whatever tactics that I feel my competition will use.


Gotcha....[/quote]

Personally what the author feels is a bug has no relationship to what the players feel is a bug. This is no disrespect to the programmer, but it is the community that has evolved the game and has indicated what they feel are bugs. Planet riding is a valid method of play, and probably so is SS crawling (gathering intelligence). Was planet riding or SS crawling part of the original concept of game play? Probably not, but that really doesn't matter. Is a corporate killer tactic or megacorpinig a bug, no, but it is frowned upon by, IMHO, most people. The game is pretty much anything goes as long as the server rules are followed.

If the TWGS doesn't prevent a tactic, and no server rule against it in effect, then the player should have thought of it first and implemented it. That seems to be the biggest issue I see - someone else thought/did it first. It is a game of war, there is no "fair".

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If the TWGS doesn't prevent a tactic, and no server rule against it in effect, then the player should have thought of it first and implemented it. That seems to be the biggest issue I see - someone else thought/did it first. It is a game of war, there is no "fair".

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I cant believe that this is a matter for debate. I really feel that I am in the Twilight Zone. This has been a legitimate tactic as far back as I can remember. It actually used be more common, when there were fewer ss channels.


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Kavanagh wrote:
I cant believe that this is a matter for debate. I really feel that I am in the Twilight Zone. This has been a legitimate tactic as far back as I can remember. It actually used be more common, when there were fewer ss channels.


It really isn't being debated right now. Back in HHT, we
screwed around with a burster to send a message to
every SS. Why? To screw up enemy coordination during
their red setup. And it worked, it had them in such a
panic that I was able to find their reds and torp them
on day 1.

Now, big D, who moaned and complained about how
it was cheating, and how HE'd never use such a tactic,
ever, has decided to use the tactic after-all.

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The Question is about the Change in Viewpoint from
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I'm also saying that IS cheating and only the lowest form of TW player would actually do it.
To the Extreme Opposite Soley based on What the Auther says is or isnt Bug Use or Cheating. I simply wanted to understand the massive swing from BigD from one side of the "moral" issue to the other. I wanted to compare it to other things that the Auther of the Software Doesnt Agree with that we as a Player Base use in playing the game from day to day. I have gained valuable insight with the Replies from all parties including BigD's.I now consider myself more informed. As anyone who reads the Responses should also feel.

As a bright Shinning Example BigD and others have shown..........

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