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Author:	Oso [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:08 pm ]
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Many people complain about noobs getting podded, no mercy, etc. While it would be nice to help them out, sometimes it isn't possible. I was in a high turn game, and let a new player live, even though I should have kept him #SD#. When I came back in the game later, half my grid was gone. It wasn't just him, but because I left one alive, others decided they could hit figs too. I had spent weeks capping all the other player's planets, and trying to lock up the game. It took more work to kill off the other players, and prolonged a game that should have ended this week. It would be nice to be able to take them under our wings all the time, but when a game is nearly over, it is hard to just drop everything and say hey, come on in, kill my grid! I did suggest that he pick a different game and I would help him, but in the end- he had to go.

Author:	Runaway Proton [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:16 pm ]
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noobs who complain of getting capped need to realize it's gameplay. You're not going to win a game by letting everyong live. they needo to learn to cap OSO, then destroy his grid

Author:	Cerne [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:42 pm ]
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Thats not a good excuse to me because if you had stayed on the game and not "come back later" it never would have happened. Do you hear yourself? "I have to kill n00bs because some times I don't play as actively as I should", thats what I heard from your post. It sounds like you lost the grid because for "a short while" you weren't actively defending it. What I did hear is that n00bs deserve the same amount of mercy shown to everyone else (ie None) Cernnunos. Edited for spelling and grammar

Author:	Baited [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:49 pm ]
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This is sad, their killing my grid so I had to kill him, although he doesn't know how to play, doesn't know what a grid is, but I had to kill him. I could understand if you did it this way, hes killing my grid, so I fotoned him, and towed him to fed, then talked to him and gave him so pointers and explained how the game is played. But come on the mentality of justify killing noobs over and over is old and unjustified, their is always a better way. Sure some one get in attitude but those are far and few between.

Author:	Cerne [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:59 pm ]
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Baited, The photoning part I agree with but there is probably no way to tow them to Fed Space because they still have figs. But the real problem was Oso's, if he was actively defending his grid at the time he could have photoned all of the players tearing up his grid. As it was, he had to kill everything in sight first or be photoned by the enemy who were actively defending their grid. LOL Its a a terrible cycle... The abused become the abusers Cernnunos

Author:	Oso [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:17 pm ]
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Fotons are disabled in this game. I live in the NW, and so I lost power (hence the short while). So either I kill them for hitting my grid, or I let them take it down. Which should I do? Tell them not to hit my figs, and say I'll be very very cross with them if they do? LOL I'd let them drive around in pods first... The point is this- they get into a game weeks old and expect to have a chance, and whine when they end up dead. They should at least know when they look at the game stats that they have no chance, and should wait for a rebang.

Author:	Promethius [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:36 pm ]
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Cernnunos wrote: Thats not a good excuse to me because if you had stayed on the game and not "come back later" it never would have happened. Do you hear yourself?"I have to kill n00bs because some times I don't play as actively as I should", thats what I heard from your post. It sounds like you lost the grid because for "a short while" you weren't actively defending it.What I did hear is that n00bs deserve the same amount of mercy shown to everyone else (ie None)Cernnunos.Edited for spelling and grammar Who needs an excuse to destroy a player in a game of war? Regardless of a player's skill level we destroy or get destroyed. Helping new players learn the game is good, and contrary to your apparent belief, I have helped a lot of players other than just SDing them. However, I do not play this game to be a "teacher" all of the time. I play it the way it is designed - trade/steal, build, attack. Treat someone as a noob and let your guard down, and you find out that they just got a fed killer script and you are now out of the game - or that alias you thought was a noob was someone such as Alexio. Noobs come and either stay in the game and progress, or they leave because someone did not play TradeBuddies with them. Either way is fine.

Author:	Promethius [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:08 pm ]
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What a great day it was Warping through the galaxy like Oz Finding noobs here and there Hearing them cry, "Hey, no fair!" As I ran, I knew I had the grand plan, Hit the noobs hard and fast For I knew that they would not last. On to Stardock I did go Noobs arriving would make a nice show. I found one who thought he could fight, Now he has been shown the true light. Off to Terra with an evil grin, I knew I could find a noob once again. With a laugh and twinkle in my eye I pressed the F5 key, and told him g'bye. Noobs out in space hitting my grid Shame for him that he didn't stay hid. A question was asked, twarp to engage, Another noobie leaves in a fit of rage. All of the players are dismayed But that is how this game is played. All the players are destroyed and that is right Now it is time for me to say g'night.

Author:	Gray Lensman [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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ya know, I don't know how to play this game and survive (wanna bet?) but I help people out when ever I can (including turning butch onto twx back in early 05 and other players since). There are players out there that will justify killing noobs anyway they can (maybe the noobs are the only players they can kill?) and there are players that will pod and leave an explanationj as to how and why (me). There are also some very experienced players out there that will still scream bloody murder if you kill them. Bottom line isv - IT'S A GAME. "Want Some Cheese?"

Author:	Chairman Mao [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:00 pm ]
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Or maybe find 'em - surround 'em with just enough figs to get their attention. Trouble is if you give 'em a little love tap, they think they are bulletproof because you couldn't kill them. Then they get arrogant and somebody else robs you of the satisfaction. Or they really are Alexio out testing some new scripts under an alias and he springs it on ya. BTW - as for the suggestion of photon and drag to sd, you can enter sector - then he can drop figs you lock on and he picks his figs back up - tow him wherever - it does work.

Author:	Cerne [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:07 pm ]
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Sure it does Mao, but have you ever met a n00b that trusting after being photoned? Cernnunos

Author:	Oso [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:00 am ]
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lol C, not like they have a choice. Hey gray, add me to your ICQ and we'll talk.

Author:	Oso [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:15 am ]
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Here's a case in point. These are all private hails to and from me from a player in this game. The game is over for all intents and purposes, aged 18 days. Damage hi you nered a corp member ill make you money or can i populate Damage planets Damage save me some people fool dont be a ** and take em all Damage did u see what i said? Oso yes. I'm not CEO Oso as for taking people, to what do you refer? Damage fine save me some people dammit Oso there's karnaj, telemus, and . Oso and cutter Oso do I know you? Damage no het stop taking colonist please save me some Oso what helper are you using, and do you use TWX? Damage swath why Oso just wondering Oso do you use TWX? Damage wtf dude stop puting a fighter in every sector * ** that is Damage stupid Oso no, I did it on purpose Oso you are red now Damage no Oso sucks to be you Oso if you want to play, get a better plan Damage so i guess u think ur good ing with a new guy Oso look at how old the game is Oso game is over 2 weeks old. 51M figs Damage well there is no new games Oso why should Oso why should I let you into this game, just so I have to hunt you down and invade you later? Damage is that all u do how do i win? Damage y cant we just be allies Oso and what will we do as allies? Damage make millions lots of planets Oso not enough planets for colos that are out there. already have 1 billion Damage so why with me if u have so much Oso I'm not. Oso you could be #SD# right now if I had wanted. Damage u took my dont lie Oso I'm trying to decide if I should let you live Damage if you must kill me do so but im better allie Oso you really don't have anything I need. so why keep you? Damage then bring it * Oso that doesn't help your cause Damage nothing will with you arround Oso well, respect goes a long way. I didn't call you names Damage well im not being the yu r **ing with the lil guy Oso the lil guy who has no business being in this game. Oso don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Damage come kill me bad Butt Needless to say, he was hiding at dock and only spent a few seconds in a pod before I relieved him of that. If he had had a different attitude, I would have treated him differently. Being a jerk from the start made my decision easy.

Author:	Chairman Mao [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:28 am ]
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y can't we just be allies? ROFLOL War sang, "Why can't we be friends?" Seems like i heard that a lot growing up. Ranks right there on my list with, "I love you, I'm just not in love with you."

Author:	Oso [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:32 am ]
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But you see what I am talking about? One of my friends is now losing a game because he offered the new guy a "truce" instead of taking him out. What more can I say?

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