I had some ideas on Red cashing, while working on the Red terms for the Glossary. Now I don’t now how accurate these actually are, if they are even effective, or if they are already considered a process, but I as far as I could the commonly used tactics only dealt with Transporting or moving to an adjacent/nearby sector. I thought I would throw these out there as “outside the box” ideas.


SBST Sell-Buy-Steal-Twarp
Uses a SXB and a SXS port
Method: sell a load of EQ, purchase FO as needed (using the same efficiency load standards as when Colonizing), and then with the remaining holds Steal the EQ back, Twarp to the other port and repeat.

The advantage to this is that it permits Reds to operate early in the game at Ports that are out of Xport range, which might be in more secure area of space and/or offer higher MCIC values, which ultimately off-set the loss of turns from Twarping.

SSB Sell-Steal-Bwarp -or- SDB Steal-Dump-Bwarp
These works on the principles as the above method, although does not require the purchase of FO and reduces the number of turns used and increases the speed and protection by having planets in sector, though would require a Corpie to sit on each planet in case of an invasion during this process; this of course would be a later game tactic as it would require the use of Mobil’s. During this process the Red could either sell the products as they go or the Blue/Red could Planet Nego them in bulk to another Port, whichever is more profitable in the end.

SBST:

Might be OKAY if you were in a 1 tpw ship, with high holds, and twarp, most commonly found in unlimited turn games. I wouldn't take the time to write a script to do so, if I were in an unlimited turn game, I'd just use a modified WSST.

SSB or SBD

Simular tactics are being used.

See -Mega Robbing
See - Planet Trading
See - Buydowns

Best bet, stick with Ptrading and Megarobbing. SDTing is commonly used in the first few days of a game, then Ptrading should be utilized.

I'm sure your on to something though, keep it up. I bet alot of guys would love a new taste of tactics.

SBST - Could be done, reminds me of twarp PPT. Possible but not done due to
turn efficieny evilness.

Remember you can only do 1 op, evil or trade, in a port session. So you sell eq,
purchase FO, 1 turn. Steal eq (with remaining holds) and twarp off. This means
you get less holds of eq in the mix, less creds per turn, even w/ a 1 tpw ship.
This is very similar to an SST+jet, except you don't jet and you end w/ a twarp
instead of an xport. For an unlim that would be way too slow (slower cashing than
wSSM even). For a turns game it's more profitable to take the 10 minutes and scout
for decent ports.

SDB - Steal dump bwarp - I've done this before on games with really early mobiles
(U on a pirates, C in turns-based subzero, Asteroid in KI, etc) where buying
another colt was too expensive. Goes a bit like:
Figure max steal holds
CR port report and buying lvl chk
Can I steal enough from this port? If no, can I nego to it?
Upgrade port where needed
Steal, dump, bwarp
Repeat...

Get decent ports and it works ok, is costly on Mr Ore tho so once you get enough
cash for another colt (usually doesn't take very long) that makes more sense.
Various bust clearing options apply, get your friendly blue to b/d ore when they
can.

Finding ports within X hops of yourself is fairly easy... stock edit gives
colt an xport of 7, which is plenty to make xport options more profitable.
The question I have for you is... can you find a way that is more resource and
turn efficient than xport?

Wow, I appreciate the feedback, I had initially debated about making this post, I was figuring I was going to get ripped, as I know exactly very little Red tactics. As well, I consider it an honor to get a compliment from Graz! However, I still doubt he would ever invite me over to stay for some toasted cheese sandwiches. j/k [^]

One thing I forgot to mention before that plays a small, also adding an extra advantage with this tactic is along with the buying of the FO is the extra experience obtained, assuming that a haggle method is being used for the purchases/sales.

The only thing I can think of that is more effective then xporting is Bwarping; I am thinking by Bwarping you have the immediate protection of your planet, the ability to simultaneously dump your products to either keep as a resource or sell at another higher MCIC/upgraded port, and the 0-move delay of the planetary xporter. Pwarping would be awesome, if much less fuel was consumed during the process.

sing go outside and play some golf or something.. sheesh

Bah, hate golf.

hehe just trying to think of things i can beat you at..

I've also done both. Sing covered the problems with the 2nd method pretty well. As to the first method, it costs 3 ore to warp one sector. The typical xport range of a colt is 7 hops. So you are looking at 8 hop minimum, that's 24 ore, or 24 less EQ. 24 less eq per turn is not trivial. That doesn't count the extra turns, or the smaller holds usually found in a twarp ship. If security is an issue, then you need to deal with THAT first.
In the right circumstances, it would work for a day 1 red trying to work up to full holds, since there would extra room on their ship anyway, and the 2nd haggle helps with exp. But only with a 1 tpw ship. And if you can get a hold of a 1tpw ship, you might as well scout around a bit and SSM.

I don't know about toasted cheese, but my girl makes a mean fried PB&J... More than welcome to have some. Don't even know where your from, but anyone that posts in these forums, or blows my pod up, is more than welcome in my home, anytime.

Fried PB&J? Huh? With just a bit more time make THIN fry bread and do a PB and banana rollup! Cut off slices as needed and make more as needed so it stays fresh and hot!

quote:Originally posted by Stockton

sing go outside and play some golf or something.. sheesh


Why should he? Some indoor sports are more interesting! [:D]

Am I the onlyone that hates the phrase "Thinking outside the box"?
Some other sayings I am tired of hearing.
Respect
Chew (As in what chew doin?)
Deal or no deal?
Youre fired.
And I also am tired of that Darn Kelly Clarkson song. (Because of you Il never stray too far from a sidewalk).
Well you had a bad day.
Goofy stuff.
I would like to hear:
Hey here is a million bucks
Mickie James saying wanna fool around.
Were tripling your salary
Ok I am done

Heh, I bet another one you hate to hear is... Surprise U.A. today, get your cup. [;)]

I've talked alternate strats over with Traitor many times, but he has always done an anal amount of research on my 'new' idea and he proceeds to list 15 reasons why it is less effective than method so and so. Really.

So Rexx, I applaud the effort, but you'll make faster headway on these ideas ICQ'ing with Traitor, not that he's on anymore... [:(]

+EP+