Let me ask you guys something. Here are the rules for the site.

Updated 01-19-04
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1. Limit 1 user per IP is enabled on my server, and it will stay enabled.
2. If asked to rebang a game I will post a message in the game and the forum, majority rules, so even if one person says rebang, and no one else says no, it will be done.
3. I will from time to time, reboot the server. I try to wait until
is no one playing, and reboot, but sometimes I will need to do it "now" I will send a message to active players informing them of the amount of time before the server is shutdown, the max time the server allows is a 5 minute countdown.
4. All Games - Blockage of Fed Space / Terra / Stardock is not allowed, until game life is at 10 days.
5. No exploiting bugs! Either known or unknown.
6. The first 5 days of Game A is a No Fire/No Kill/No Invade rule in effect against traders.

This means:

NO Armids outside of home base
NO Offensive figs anywhere
NO Interdictors on
NO Photons
NO Attacking at all
NO Invading at all

7. Toll Figs are free game you can kill/lay as many as you want
8. Absoulty no dupping if caught you will be instantly kicked and banned!
9. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse!

Entropy and Gravis hold the right and will Kick/Ban/Delete any user for any reason. If you dont like this then dont play or you can speak your mind in the Forum.

So we started 3 days late in the 5 day truce PHX and his corp are held up in a well defended base. They control all collies, but we control all the sectors. We have 19800 sectors marked with figs we are making 2 bil a day to buy figs. We cant get in cause PHX moved 15 planets into the door. No prob we blow SD so they cant refuel. Well Enthropy decides to come into the game and rebuild SD. That is bull$hit. Nowhere in your rules does it say no blowing SD. Nowhere does it say you will rebuild it if it is blown up. We understand the game will rebuild it, but it was rebuilt during the middle of the day. Not at extern. So someone rebuilt it. Now you said if we have a problem bring it to the forum here it is. Also, we did try to contact you via yahoo, but you are not on. The game is on day 13 so it cant be that.
[}:)]

Dont take this wrong Demon but I think the original programmer never wanted stardock or class 0 ports to be able to be destroyed, hence their high defensive ratings. This path into the future was never expected with fully editable ships with that capability. Therefore some people still beleive it is not necessarily wrong to destroy it but will rebuild it as soon as they are made aware it has been destroyed for the sake of being "fair" to the others who didnt think of it first. Personally if you dont want the 4 special ports blown in a game then blow them a few times before you open a game for normal play and they will be too hard to kill after that if they are all 10k defensive rating.

I personally would consider blowing up stardock a pretty absolute blockade of it.

To Whom it may concern. (DEMON)

As I stated in the instant message response to you...I havent been on the server since I rebanged all the games...I dont even have a monitor hooked up to the server so its a pain in the butt for me to crawl under the computer desk and switch the monitor over to that computer...Gravis does have sysop access, but I havent talked to him in months...As far as I know he doesnt even log on anymore...but he could have...ask him...I gave you my answer already...

I'm out.

Entropy

Harley you did not read the post very very very well did you. Let me refresh your memory.

4. All Games - Blockage of Fed Space / Terra / Stardock is not allowed, until game life is at 10 days.

This is rule 4 on his site.

Now let me tell you again what I said. "The game is on day 13 so it cant be that."

Someone help me here but isnt 13 days past 10 mabey tige can help me. He has to be better at math than grammer. The way I figgure it 13 is 3 days past 10. So as you put it sure "blowing up stardock is a pretty absolute blockade of it" but I followed the rules of the server.

Enthropy you need to take away Gravis's access to the server. Cause someone is lying. Gravis told me he does not help on the server. Well I can tell you this a sysop has come into the game and spoke on many occasions since the game banged. So anyone out there keeping a list I would like to add this server to the cheating butt sysop list. And before anyone tries to jump on me all the proof is that is needed is in the whole post. Sysop not sure who is using tedit, recreating stardock during the middle of the day with no notice, and who knows what else is going on behind the scenes.

quote:Originally posted by Entropy


To Whom it may concern. (DEMON)

As I stated in the instant message response to you...I havent been on the server since I rebanged all the games...I dont even have a monitor hooked up to the server so its a pain in the butt for me to crawl under the computer desk and switch the monitor over to that computer...Gravis does have sysop access, but I havent talked to him in months...As far as I know he doesnt even log on anymore...but he could have...ask him...I gave you my answer already...

I'm out.

Entropy


It saddens me to admit that I have been playing on a server with an incompetent sysop. Do you just randomly give out access to people that you do not speak to for several months? If you say that you did not do it than that only leaves your “co-sysop,” and sense we have been blowing his Butt up sense the end of the truce I think it is a safe bet that he is cheating and you are allowing it to continue with your lack of interest.

We don’t really care about lame excuses on why you cannot manage your server. Invest in remote administrator or VNC.

By the By….. Mr. Nuss…. 13 > 10

Day 13, as Demon stated, all bets are off.

Darn even when I am not posting, I am getting hit up. This is great.

Demon,
At least double check your spelling before you get me.

Entropy,
You, do need to talk with the co-sysop if he is using T-Edit.

Harley,
13 - 10 = 3. there Demon hows that math.

LOL...the controversy.

Here is an update peeps.
The opposing corp has completely used up all the 4000 allowed planets in the game...the ones I don't have anyway, to stop me from refueling (all planets start with 25k fuel).
AND..they like to fill up all the ship spots too.

But hey I don't consider it cheating or wrong. My policy is, if the game will let you do it, and it is not against the game rules, then it is fair.

lol this is good ****

As far as the rebuilding of dock goes (my corp being accused of having sucked off the op to get it done). I don't know who did it or why....but ill sure as hell take advantage of it if it is there.

Heh, that will teach me to read a post better I completely missed that last sentence saying it was day 13. I still stand by my statement that it's a pretty absolute blockade of SD, but I would have to agree that it wouldn't be a violation of a blockading rule.

On an entirely different note, does this game have the standard 14 day radiation lifetime? If so, it would have have been a better use of figs to blow it just after extern on day 14, not day 13. This isn't at all in relation to any cheating that may have gone on, just a post in regards to game strategy.

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

Heh, that will teach me to read a post better I completely missed that last sentence saying it was day 13. I still stand by my statement that it's a pretty absolute blockade of SD, but I would have to agree that it wouldn't be a violation of a blockading rule.

On an entirely different note, does this game have the standard 14 day radiation lifetime? If so, it would have have been a better use of figs to blow it just after extern on day 14, not day 13. This isn't at all in relation to any cheating that may have gone on, just a post in regards to game strategy.


The game had a 3 day radiation lifetime, not unless somebody decided to change it. Dock was not rebuilt at extern. My best guess is that it came back between 4:00PM and 8:00PM. There is nothing significant about these times as far as the server is concerned.

Well we didn't bother with ship buyouts or a planet monopoly until jackass tediting fools decided to regenerate stardock. We are denying our competition resources because they like to move 16 planets into their primary sector to make invasion difficult. We had a simple choice to make, Allow irritating corps to waste our time or deny Stardock access. We chose denial of resources because it is the strategically logical move. Therefore we blew dock .. jackass tedit user put it back so now we just bought everything. If PHX and crew would stop quivering in their base they could easily destroy all the scouts and spare planets. In fact they are welcome to go try. I'm not going to say anything to Entropy about the stupidity or irresponsible nature of giving some dip**** TEdit access and not communicating with them for extended periods of time. He has shown that he either chooses to be stupid and irresponsibe or he just doesnt care. Either way a conversation with him on it will just end up pissing me off so why bother.

No offense intended Marduk, but isn't making invasion difficult something that an opposing corp is supposed to do?

I'm not questioning either your methods or your game play, I see nothing wrong with what you've done, it's just that the way you made that statement it sounds as if other corps should just invite you in.

Heh, I also like the way you didn't say anything to Entropy about what you thought. [:D]

I just can't believe anyone would blow stardock, then buy up all of the ships after SD magically reappears or get all of the planets in the game to deny another corp the ability to wage war. What is tradewars coming to? Next thing you know someone might actually have the nerve to blow someone's ship up. PHX is right, if the game allows it - so it is available to anyone, and it isn't against the server rules - then go for it.
One thing for certain, TEditing will ruin a server whether by the owner or by someone he lets have access. Reputations are easily ruined and with it goes the server - too many good gameOps out there that provide us with quality places to play for anyone to have to worry about someone TEditing a game. Hopefully, Entropy will take Dr. Doog's suggestion on getting a remote access program so he can administer the system and not feel the need for another person to have access. A short term fix, and not sure if it is a good one or how it would be done since I've never done it, would be for Entropy to remove SD and put it back to its blown up state since all appear to know it was blown up in the first place.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

One other comment: Why would anyone want to use TEdit? My concept of the game is that you have to work in the game and podding the other player and taking their base(s) is the challenge and then the reward for the work. A player I corped with once told me that I shouldn't worry about getting podded invading planets - it is just words on the screen - if you get #SD# then there is always tomorrow. Now what the h*ll does that have to do with this subject? Not much but she emphasized that TWars is just a game. TEditing takes the challenge away and without the challenge, what is the point in playing a GAME. When, and not if, I get podded there is a challenge to get back in and be competitive or at least be a thorn in someone's side. TEditing me back into a game would ruin the game for me and the people I am playing against. Resorting to TEdit use is just saying to the world that a player isn't even a player, just a wannabe that doesn't respect the game or themselves. Enough of my thoughts on TEdit use and I am not saying that Entropy used TEdit to restore SD because I don't know - he says he didn't so I will go with that. Trusting someone else with access to your system is a whole other subject - kinda like marriage - trust is there, but it can sometimes be betrayed when you least expect it.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Yes well when you have got a part time corp, it is hard to organize a proper invasion force. With those planets at 10% sector (which i figured out last night) it wouldnt take to much to get into your base there guys. Anybody (dedicated players) wanna join me for the next game? Although I see these guys will probly not be coming back...ill still be there.