What did you have 2-3 corps?

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

That's great SG. There is a server out there capable of hosting tournaments with no issues from your stand point. If a host can have tournaments with no issues, I credit and respect that host for their ability.

You have made it clear there is an issue with RP hosting another BOTE. I suggested to RP to find something he can do that no other server does. Or do something that some of us have failed to achieve. If he has permission to use BOTE and make some changes, then great for him. If he does not, then he will have to deal with the issues that face him. Regardless, he has taken a lot of punishment for whatever his actions were/are. There is no need to further bash him; he seems willing to fix his mistakes and move forward. This whole situation could have played out differently with a little discretion and tact.

IMO, it's time to bury the hatchet and move on. Some of us just want to host the game for players without all the garbage that comes spewing out at us. Some of us have been sysops longer than some people here have been posting. The fact is what is done is done. Take a deep breath, relax, smile, and play a game.

You are not suppose to throw electronics in landfills, asshat!

We created an game edit called TradeWars Academy when both Daala and I started the TradeWars Academy site. Later on a few other servers had the same name of a game on their site. It did not bother me at all. Why? Because my goal is to draw new players in. If other hosts want to do the same thing, I am fine with it. The overall goal was to provide a game for new players to play, and by the other hosts having the same thing, the goal was achieved. If a host wants to put a site up and call it TradeWars Academy, unless it's copyrighted to Outpost-4 and I have the legal issues backing me up to stop them, then go for it.

I'm not discrediting either you or RP. You have your reasons, and he has his. All I am saying is that by posting this over and over about his actions, what does it do to the community? How do new players that come here feel when they read all the garbage and bashing over a host? I did not play in BOTE, never have, never will. I do not know the issues surrounding you and RP, nor do I want to know them. What is done is done. If he is wrong to host another BOTE and change it, it is him that will deal with those consequences. If he has the blessing of those that have a hand in it, then I say go for it.

I just feel that a different approach could have been handled, that's my stance, as a member of the community and as a SysOp. I don't think some of the comments needed to be posted in an open forum. As moderators to this forum, we have to have some level of professionalism to hold our position. It does not look good when mods are openly bashing someone for some issue. That sets the wrong tone.

If that means I am going to take flak for my comments, then I say go for it. I can pick and choose my battles. After all is said and done, I'll still be here, long after this situation has passed.

Did someone say something?

you guys don't seem fun at all and it seem everyone is here to fight, not very interesting gaming project...
I've never seem that in any other mud, good luck with your game.

SG, Your own Sig;





If you've no reason to continue to Haunte me, them please remove your sig. I'm done with trying to cater to, or fight with you. I made the decision to put this tournament to rest for the very reasons Thrawn has mentioned. It's not good for the game, nor it is good for me to put up with all the SH** I have reguarding this issue. I'm done with it, I'm moving on, please do the same as you promised you would.

Thank you Thrawn for your friendship over the years, and for your words here. I respect your attitude, and your impartial response. I'm not giving up on TW yet, this is just one of those sour tastes you get once in a while, but it will wear off, and once again you get back to normal. My website is working for the most part, I've got several new ideas brewing for games, and maybe even another tournament.

Yes, this is a true point. It may hurt him, or he may be able to recover from it.



Ok, so who decides "we need to discuss it more and more and more"? Is it us as moderators? SysOps? The players? How about the original people that created BOTE in its spirit and intent? I did not say "you were a mean bully who is hurting the game..." at all. I did not say I agree with you or RP. I can certainly see and understand both points of view from both of you. I'm neutral here, as a MODERATOR in this forum. I'm *suggesting* the approach could have been different without airing the dirty laundry in public. I'm *suggesting* that if the need to debate this must go on, then do it professionally. I'm *suggesting* as moderators we set the tone here. It is not doing anything positive to this game. If people wanted dramatics and theatrics, they could watch soaps on TV.