That relies on you xporting right before I hit the macro. Hehe. Good luck timing that. Hehe. Swath has a nice looper, just copy and paste and run it 10 times. That's going to be a real challenge to dodge.

Thats true but if somebody keeps powering up you are going to want to take a timeout till they leave, that would be too dangerous and turn costly to play against something like that. But when dealing with anything from SD you want to run it from a well built script (unless it is a non-scripting game) cause' everybody and their backseat driving alien mother-in-laws are going to be watching you like a spacehawk? (ok, lame could not think of something better!)

I don't think I'll bother posting on this thread anymore. You can't have a discussion with someone who is convinced he's right and is unwilling to consider the possibility that he isn't. Maybe some day rexx will learn how to play and at that point, come back and realize that he's being as dumb as a box of rocks.

Singularity - My location to probe depends on if I got in on the bang and am in a position to fight someone that warps in w/o a problem - if so then probing from dock is extremely quick (prob 10-15 minutes to find the alien planets in a 20k sector game). If I think that fighting at this point is not a good idea, then warping to another sector and probing is the best bet. My post to Maniac in another thread is an example - got in quick and in a ship that incoming players couldn't hurt too much and eprobed quickly to find alien planets.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Prome, ahh ok. Makes sense now. In an unlim where you can cash quickly like that, 10 minutes would be ample time to find the aliens if you got on early enough. Guess I'm too used to thinking of limited turn games.

Rexx, all this talk about "well built scripts." Been a programmer for a while, done some stuff with twx (not as much as others here, but hey...) too and have never ran into a "well built script" that could compensate for bad tactics. Quite the opposite... Murphy's law reigns supreme. I suspect that all of this wouldn't even be neccessary. Load up a favorite kill-on-sight script and just have a blue twarp in and out at random to check for reds at dock. Not too hard, keep dock covered in ftrs and laugh the second a probe hits one. Hehehe... So much stuff you can do to make a red at dock miserable. It's not even worth going into it.

Ive been Hijacked!!! rofl

ok seriously.
rexx, i tried to save you.
but my god, it's just too late.
do you actually read this crap that you type?
seriously, read it aloud once and see if it still sounds the same as it does in your head.
sigh...

quote:From what I recall if someone goes into attack mode and you xport to another ship, i.e. another in-sector ship, that player will have to start the attack over again as the manned/unmanned status of the ships have changed. A message displays advising them that player so-and-so is no longer in that ship.

well, for that to work you would have to wait until he is on the attack Rexx's cargotran (y/n) prompt and hits Y (so technically, the how many fighters do you wish to use prompt) because if you export before, you will just appear in that order in your new ship, and if you do it after... well then you've been shot already.

quote:Why you have to be so closed minded for? Stop limiting youself, there are lots of other edits out there besides stock type games, maybe you should expand your horizons and try them out. Their pretty fun, in my opinion much funnier then stock games. other then that maybe these tactics would not work that well in a stock game senerio, so you would have to adapt to find another viable solution to probe as a red.

ok, you ****ing moron.
DUH.
if we used every possible edit variable, well, anything would be a viable strategy, BUT since there are a frickin bunch, lets all use stock for general discussion purposes. otherwise, we can't have a discussion because we will all be talking about different things.
you
****ing
moron

quote:"but with the right script even that could go up much higher." No, you can't. Statements like that show me that you are NOT fairly knowledgable.
On this I still say that with the right script, this being a very precise script that takes complete advantage of all aspects in the game obtaining more cash would be very possible. i.e. using very precise haggling routines, using only high-end ports, using the turns in the most benefitial manner (by not doubling back and not looping around one-ways, etc.), using planets smartly, and of course the game edits themselves would need to favor red strategies.

ok, so here is the thing.
when harley, or someone with half a ****ing brain gives you a #, and says its optimal, that means it is going under 100% perfect situations and taking all variables into account.
see, people like harley who have half (or more) of a brain understand the game well enough that they can do a little math and boom, tell you how the game works 100% of the time.
what scripts do, is they take this math, and they do it for you, but guess what, they are mostly written by people with half (or more) of a brain. scripts can not, do not, will not *change* the way the game works. you must face this fact.
elderprophet is able to sqeeze some extra credits out of ports because he did reseach in an area where there was still room to improve. however, even with his new findings (which took a LONG time, props to him) it still doesn't really change an over all optimal figure, since an over all optimal figure will never happen anyway, unless you set it up in t-edit.

Graz, that wasn't my mom... that was my dog.
i had to put him to sleep


btw, wb J.D.

heh heh lmao, Slim appears to be back, and making up for time missed..
btw Slim, glad everything turned out OK

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

rofl

are you sure they are not one in the same?


Now that is cold.... I am guessing that RexxCrow is probably 14-17 years old from the content of his posts, and while he most likely has good intentions, he doesn't understand what he is doing in antagonizing people. Hopefully, he will take the time to re-read the posts and figure out that people initially were trying to help, but his posts effectively prevented that.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Lol this thread has morphed from player worth to .....rexxcrow trash talking and sweet butt beat downs....Well Vex buddy me and you will watch the fur fly with a beer in our hands....lmao

Rexx, all this talk about "well built scripts." Been a programmer for a while, done some stuff with twx (not as much as others here, but hey...) too and have never ran into a "well built script" that could compensate for bad tactics. Quite the opposite... Murphy's law reigns supreme. I suspect that all of this wouldn't even be neccessary. Load up a favorite kill-on-sight script and just have a blue twarp in and out at random to check for reds at dock. Not too hard, keep dock covered in ftrs and laugh the second a probe hits one. Hehehe... So much stuff you can do to make a red at dock miserable. It's not even worth going into it.
If the SD was surrounded with fighters then probing from there would not even be possible, so why would you even want to launch probes? For the scripts, using triggers would play an important role, whenever a player powers up their weapons there is several things a red could to do avoid that attack before the attacking players reaches the prompt to attack the red, (you can figure those yourself, although I have already given a few possible examples.) Just because you send your attack all in one macro does not mean I will be instantly attacked by you without any chance of recourse, messages get sent out to everybody before the next prompt is displayed to you. So you macro the red reacts to the trigger and takes action to evade your attack.

Also trigging on a limpet would allow the owner to prep or evade your attack before you even get through the fighter prompt, you would not even know what the hell hit you that red chose to strikeback and as well you would never even see them if they could warp or Xport out prior to you warping adjacent to them and running a scan. As far as securing the sectors around them, it would be wise to do more then soley the adjacent sectors, (unless the red had access to photons, then they might want to consider setting up a photon trap on the lurking player.)

It is only about timing if you are doing things manually, if you are using a script it is about using one that is well built and thoughtout. Here is a valid question that is relative to the argument, how many reds have been sucessfully using that new SD PlanetBusting script, I think it was developed by Traitor (not sure?) Now do you see how something like that could relate to red probing, shipbuying, etc.

Frankly, I am surprised by some of you, you put me down as stating I have no clue to what I am talking about then turn around and make ignorant statements, such as this. Do you really believe the things you are stating or is this your attempt at making invalid points to sustain a lameass argument?

You know when you are explaining something to somebody in your profession they can usually comprehend what it is you are trying to convey to them and thus they can often understand immediately what you are referring to and were you are going with your explanation even before you even finish telling it to them, well that does not seem to be anything remotely close to the case with a few of you! You are simply insistant that I am wrong, as I presumably have no valid points to make, etc., etc., etc. Makes me wonder about you, I mean really come on now! LOL [;)]

Hey folks how 'bout lets talk about the subject matter at hand here.....like let me think...what was it agian?O yah player worth....o brother.....your all right no one is wrong , change your diapers and move on on.

ok seriously.
rexx, i tried to save you.
but my god, it's just too late.
do you actually read this crap that you type?
seriously, read it aloud once and see if it still sounds the same as it does in your head.
sigh...
What , you tried to help me? Are you on friggin' crack? Oh, yea sweet little innocent Slim, all you did was come in here instantly flinging your more then familiar insults and trashtalk, as best I have seen all you do is trash others at their expense. So tell me did you leave your brain in Europe or had all that beer you drink finally dissolved it? Hey though you are all about helping people, right? As that is as plainly transparent in your posts as you yourself are! If you have nothing of value to say then stay away.

well, for that to work you would have to wait until he is on the attack Rexx's cargotran (y/n) prompt and hits Y (so technically, the how many fighters do you wish to use prompt) because if you export before, you will just appear in that order in your new ship, and if you do it after... well then you've been shot already.
No, I believe that as soon as you power up your weapons it does not check or change the in-sector ships status (as you not receive update messages while you are within attack prompts (or warping prompts, there may be more that is all I recall though)) until you actually engage an attack on that ship, i.e. when you attempt to attack a ship that is no longer manned, (as they have Xported to another ship after receiving the powering up weapons message from you) hence it's status has changed since you fired up your weapons and you will have to start the attack again. Otherwise you could just sit there with systems already powered up and plink others as soon as they warp into the sector with no warning to them that you are engaging an attack on them, well until the first wave hits them.

ok, you ****ing moron.
DUH.
if we used every possible edit variable, well, anything would be a viable strategy, BUT since there are a frickin bunch, lets all use stock for general discussion purposes. otherwise, we can't have a discussion because we will all be talking about different things.
you
****ing
moron
Wow, you really are a helpful kinda guy are'nt cha! Who was even talking about this, anybody know? Cause it sure was not me! I think the main problem that lies with you Slim, is that you don't think before you speak. Ok, now I give an example on something, somebody says that will not work because stock games do not have 2-TPW ships in them, so they start calling me names and belittling me, (good job by the way, my mother? I hope you get banned you pathetic little shell of a person.) When what they should have said was that strategy will only work in games that have 2-TPW ships in them otherwise it would no longer be practical because to many turns would be used up.

Now, every game I have played in a game there has been some form of useable ship that is 2-TPW. At no time was the use of any type of game even mentioned. People just want to keep making an argument out of something that was a complete nonissue in the first place, why is this so? Well, I am not even going to go there! Although, I will say to those you are nothing but a complete hindrance to progression, and this is really your own selfish loss.

ok, so here is the thing.
when harley, or someone with half a ****ing brain gives you a #, and says its optimal, that means it is going under 100% perfect situations and taking all variables into account.
see, people like harley who have half (or more) of a brain understand the game well enough that they can do a little math and boom, tell you how the game works 100% of the time.
what scripts do, is they take this math, and they do it for you, but guess what, they are mostly written by people with half (or more) of a brain. scripts can not, do not, will not *change* the way the game works. you must face this fact.
elderprophet is able to sqeeze some extra credits out of ports because he did reseach in an area where there was still room to improve. however, even with his new findings (which took a LONG time, props to him) it still doesn't really change an over all optimal figure, since an over all optimal figure will never happen anyway, unless you set it up in t-edit.
Scripts can be written to make a decision that will bring the best outcome in a given situation. Scripts can be written to make the most out of the way the game edits are setup. Scripts can be written to take into consideration any factor or variable, the limits are left to only the imagination. Again people wanting to fixate on something that was really a nonissue and try to bring discredit to my actual point, which really had nothing little to do with the example or point I was attempting to make, if you take notice that was entirely avoided. Being able to make more then the 40-million with the right script is my opinion and I am certianly entitled to it and I stick by it, you have yours I have mine. Is'nt love funny like that! [:X] Either way, it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, enough with it already.

Your bickering about the trival, only prevents a valid discussions from talking place do to every joker that normally has nothing of value or worthiness to offer to mosey on in here and start making nonscense comparisons and offensive jokes, (talking about my mother? I hope you get banned Grazhoppa, I see you have finally allowed your true-self to come out like a plaque!) [V] Others seem only content in engaging in pointless flamming as this is sadly to say, "their sole form of entertainment".

If you truly feel that badmouthing me completes you as a man and stacks your ranks with other people then have at it, don't worry I to shalt bow down before you and all of your self-proclaimed worthiness just as they, righttt! If some of you would only put that imagination and energy into the game itself, I guarantee you would start seeing some vast improvements within both the game and it's community.

ok, so seriously SGO, when did you move?
if you aren't SGO, you are his in-bred cousin.
quote:Being able to make more then the 40-million with the right script is my opinion and I am certianly entitled to it and I stick by it, you have yours I have mine.
ok, so if it is "your opinion" that 2+2=178238, is it wrong for us all to call you on that and tell you that you are incorrect?
you are dealing in opinions (which are falsely based) the rest of us are dealing in fact.
that is one thing that you never could understand.
just because YOU think certain things SHOULD work certain ways, does NOT make it so.
this game, and all scripts/helpers/macros/etc related to it are all based on 100% undeniable, unchangable, hardcoded math (disregarding any unknown bugs)
you can argue till your face is blue, but it will never change the fact that 2+2=4. (and offensive figs are not amuck )

Slim

quote:Originally posted by piyath

why is it peaple find the dumbest thing to fight about come on everyone thinks they know more then most but who gives a rats @$$ if they do or dont i know i dont care who has the best sdcript or the best ways to build a base but it dont matter this is a f-ing game stop tryin to make it out to be life it was made to play and have fun just like this form was made to get info about the game not to start a fight with everyone if you want to do that do it in smack talk i dont want to have to read the bs to find out new things



Smack Talk is a sticky now, I have a Smack Talk on my forum and pretty much no holds barred, if all get the urge to go at it my forum is there wiating for the gloves to come off, so to speak. Heheh

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

What , you tried to help me? Are you on friggin' crack? Oh, yea sweet little innocent Slim, all you did was come in here instantly flinging your more then familiar insults and trashtalk, as best I have seen all you do is trash others at their expense. So tell me did you leave your brain in Europe or had all that beer you drink finally dissolved it? Hey though you are all about helping people, right? As that is as plainly transparent in your posts as you yourself are! If you have nothing of value to say then stay away.


Actually Slim was in Egypt, not Europe, there is a big difference in Geographical location here.

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

It is only about timing if you are doing things manually, if you are using a script it is about using one that is well built and thoughtout. Here is a valid question that is relative to the argument, how many reds have been sucessfully using that new SD PlanetBusting script, I think it was developed by Traitor (not sure?) Now do you see how something like that could relate to red probing, shipbuying, etc.

Okay Rexx lets assume you have the uber script that is the end all cure all for this to happen, how is it going to anticipate the player that is about to attack before he does, I mean is it going to read the other players screen to get the info to trigger before he can impliment the commands?

I am not trying to put you or anyone down, especially the script makers, but I haven't seen a script that can do that.

I am just trying to be real here, and just get this out into the open. If there were such a script, wouldn't everyone be using it to win 100% of the time?

Or am I just stupid?

Please someone who knows, tell me if I am right or wrong!

In the mean time my Smack Talk forum is there waiting for the itch to hit, so if it does it's open for business.

Nuff said.