quote:Originally posted by Grazhoppa

Kemper, please tell me if this is legally binding

cuz I'm about to get 50k

if not, please delete it.. if it is submissable as evidence, can you please print it with his IP and snail it to me?

Hvrat, I accept your offer. I will stay up 10 days straight and photon your Butt by hand, or pdrop you by hand.. with any witness of your choice, hell, you can even pay for their flight.

graz



Hrvat....After Graz is Done With You....I'll Kick Your Butt Just By Using My Hands Just Name The Place And Date..And Time.

Peace Nukka .......


-Bud

P.S. Wow 10 Years? heh Mark My 12 In:)

Yeah Graz stay in med school you'll make it... it is not possible to stay awake for 10 days straight and unless I was in a coma I could destroy your fighter much faster than you could punch in a four digit number and hit Y. You are so full of **** I can smell you from here.

Lets see I have to hit A 10 and enter

You have to read the line... punch the number into the planatary transwarp.. and hit Y... but awww without your bot to do it for you all you get is a message saying you can't blind warp a planet.

No sctipts no bull****, I want to see you jump me with a planet. Just you and me in the game 10,000 sectors, one shot at it. No best out of 1,000,000 bull**** either. I'll give you $5,000. If you can't do it you give me $5,000. Ready to put your money where your mouth is?

The deal wasn't a bet. Was an offer.

I do belive I can stay up for 10 days. That's the offer I accept.

Amusing that it's not humanly possible for me to pwarp you by hand too, looks like someone has their facts horribly mistaken.

oh I'm really afraid of a Scriptwarrior like you. You'll lose just like Graz? or will the Shotgun you shoot me with after I kick you Butt be all fair and part of the game?

Put your money where your mouth is, or go home. Tired of your **** talk, you made an offer, put up, or shut the hell up.

graz

Ok this is getting really stupid. We have your boyfriend Bud wanting to fight me in real life and you actually think you can win. How about before I take your money we try it for fun first. I'm an honest guy and wouldn't want to take money away from your family.

It's unless you are the quickest person to ever punch a numeric keypad you can do it. Lets set this up The battle between Classic Tradewars and Scriptwars.

If you win I will tell everyone on this forum that scripting isn't cheating. If you lose you admit that it is.

hey Graz I think you misread one of my posts. I wasn't talking to you in the one about fighting. It was for some guy named Bud who was saying he was going to kick my Butt after you beat me.

You can't stay awake for 10 days without falling asleep from exhaustion unless you are on speed and even then I doubt you could make it. Not to mention you would have to get up to take a crap sometime and I assume you have a job to go to. After 10 days of gazing at a terminal you wouldn't be alert enough to fire the photon anyway.

I'm trying to make a point about Bots, not an endurance or speed challenge.

We won't do it for fun.

You made an offer, not a bet. Either your the dumbest person on the planet, or just not smart. I will stay up for 10 days and photon you each time you try to reach your planet after I've gained control.

I've found out that your statment has been copied (dunno about your IP) and IS a legally binding offer.

Once again, I accept the challenge.

I'm going to bed, to rest up before I get my paycheck.

Hope you got the money on hand, I'd hate to take it to a legit 'shark'.. Making 500 dollar payments out of your welfare check for the next 30 years..

Sux to be you.. I'd like kemper to contact an impartial board to host this fiasco.

See you on the battlefield.

quote:Originally posted by Hecubis

Why doesn't one of you brilliant script-writers take it upon yourself to make a more current version complete with an auto-pilot mode that does everything for you, with little user inputs now and then=p


I think the game MUDD already exists.

One of the great things about tradewars, is that there are so many configurations and settings that there is practically no possible way to completely script an entire game. You can make bots that do things for you, but in no way can you just get in game and start up a script and let it fly.. There are just too many variables.

The people who deal with those variables the best are going to be the most successful in game.

Also, there is no perfect script. There is ALWAYS a way around it. I laugh at you people who are having a hard time getting around a simple photon script. Even if graz was running a photon script to keep you out, it was just a simple adjacent photon script.

Enter the adjacent sector and retreat real fast. Do that until photon bot is out of photons.

To me, the people who complain about scripts are the people who aren't bright enough to get around one being used against them. Either that or they just don't know how to use them. They make the game so much more fast and exciting. They provide more strategy and cunning to the game. You need to take everything into account before running, writing, or going up against a script. They make everyone a smarter/better tradewars player. Until you "purists" realize that, you are all naive.

Scripts work within the confines of the rules of the game and server, they are not cheating. As a matter of fact, in TWGS servers, you can set limits to the speed or "Max Commands" the server will process everything at.

SupG

Ya know Hrvat, I wish I'd gotten the jump on Graz for your 5k offer to pdrop ya by hand. Before everyone had scripts, I pdropped MANY MANY people by hand. Then we "grew up " to macros, where we'd surround dock or the Class 0's and set a macro key to each sector, to get the planet there a little faster. The next obvious step was a script, but to this day, i can still EASILY hand-pdrop someone who enters a sector by hand (which presuably you will be doing, since you don't use scripts, correct?) And I am known to be SLOW at the keys! And I still do it, I pdropped someone just tonight in fact, by hand.

Next time you obligate yourself legally to financial challenges such as this foolish one you have made, you should THINK things through first, lol. I have no doubt Graz will pdrop you on the first try; when someone enters a sector by hand, it's a very simple task.

Go get him, Graz, wooohoo!!!!!! =) And keep us posted on the outcome. =)

galaxi

Graz, just to ensure that I was right I went around the game where we kicked your cheating Butt and timed how long it took me to kill one of your fighters.

I challenge any script warrior to try and hit me with a planet without using a script.

You sctipers are full of yourselves. I have to hit 3 keys and your fighters are gone... you have to read the line to find out which of the 10,000 sectors in the universe I'm in. Write the 4 digit number in perfectly hit enter then hit Y.

If anyone is on welfair it's you Graz. I mean if you weren't Boting in the last game we killed you in that means you stayed home from work for 5 days and did nothing but play Tradewars.

Ok just to make it very clear to you because I think your stupid to even believe yourself this is what I am saying.

In a 10,000 sector universe I run into a single toll fighter in a random sector and you're going to hit me with a planet before I can destroy the fighter using only telnet to control your game?

Galaxi here if you're so amazing how about we set it up so that BOTH you and GRAZ are in the game with Level 4 citidels at the same time. Then after you can't do it both of you come back to this forum and admit that you are using Scripts to cheat?

Only thing is I'd have to trust Graz who is a proven Boter/cheater at the game, and someone who thinks that cheating is fair play. Graz is way too childish to ever play by the rules, he'll think of some play on words or loophole to justify his use of external help.

If you want I'll see if Strider will set up the game for us and monitor it. Then we can end this discussion.

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"The official verified sleeplessness record is 11 days, set by high school senior Randy Gardner in 1964. He was monitered by sleep specialists throughout, and apparently suffered little or no negative consequences."

Go get him, Graz.

I remember the first Tradewars Scripts, used Procomm Plus for DOS and it was the ASPECT scripts someone wrote to pair port trade and get 2 exp almost every time it traded. Also some people used macros to colonize planets, and do other things. Before that TWHelpers were for DOS and could take captured CIM text files and map out the universe, show nearest ports, etc. Back then it was only 1000 sectors and 100 or 250 turns per day. A corp of 5 people could split the universe off into 200 sectors each and explore them and meet and share data or email it and get a complete map. I worked at a computer lab at a local Community College and we had a BBS that, you guessed it, ran TW2002. Some of the computer lab workers formed corps and we competed against each other. The Lab Supervisor was a cool guy who let us play on the job when the work was slow, we even taught him how to play TW2002 and he formed his own corp. Each corp would meet and bring in their captured CIM data and notes they took while playing the game. We would run a TWHelper and map out the universe and make printouts of areas we wanted to take over. Ok another corp has 1000 figs in sector 567, could be a planet near there, Orion you check it out, take your ISS and clear out those figs and scan the rest of the sectors.

Somewhere along the line somebody got the bright idea to not only have a TWHelper that can read CIM data and print out maps and show ports, tunnels, etc, but also help with the game. Hence TW2002 Scripting was born. Trading by hand takes too long a time, but a Script can do it in a fraction of the time. Colonizing too. Also for reds the SSM, SST, SDT, etc. Plus exploring scripts, buydump, planet bust, even attack scripts. EIS has no policy against running scripts in the TWGS games, and most GameOps don't have rules against it. I will say; however, that some Proxy or Firewall servers may break or mess with scripting. At least I have heard that before.

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v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v. tr.

To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
To elude; escape: cheat death.

v. intr.
To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.

n.
An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
One who cheats; a swindler.
Law. Fraudulent acquisition of another's property.
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I'm confused... which one of those definitions applies to scripting? Graz, you been sexually unfaithful to your corpies again?