Okay you win, and of course I am a newbie. What are you thinking? I may be an idiot as well, after all I am responding to you.

See if you can come up with a reasoned response that doesn't include name calling. You must be one of those level 4 people. lol

Cernnunos

I have l lived in fed (below 1k exp) for 10 years, near as makes no difference. Any Blue who does not do so is an idiot.

Bobby soxer Blues like high exp on CLV. Laff.

: )
no comment.

Kav, haven't you heard that the highest on CLV is winning the game.

I was told that a couple of years ago when I suggested mixed corps to some players so I could SDT. After extern, you would have thought I had kidnapped their first born.   

Ah, but it was an interesting game - 500 ms ping times on a server in Australia. Some corpies came in and played against me and were called the homicidal Americans.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

I spent the morning showing some people how teamSDT works.
Was quite a trial to get some of them working, while one of them was pretty good at it.
One of them is a 12 o'clock flasher.
It took all my patience not to be uncivil.
So how do you do that in a game where they can't help themselves? I'm going to post a copy of Praen's subspace ravings when we were corped. Now THAT was an unteachable noob.

Here it is- Praen AKA MazMar.
Now, remember this is talking with his OWN CORPIES!
HHT is long passed, so I figure it is safe to air out the dirty laundry and give you an example of why some noobs just need to die...

MazMar     i understand our little buddy alex was whining on ICQ that he wanted me off the corp
River     hey maz
master     maz u have no respect huh
master     u cant just play with the corp u are playing by yourself and u say alex is whinin?
master     no hes saying your doing nothign to help the corp thats pretty much it
MazMar     if alex is *****ing behind my back instead of to my face, the definition is 'whining'
MazMar     try http://www.dictionary.com
MazMar     wtf am i supposed to do to help the corp?
MazMar     i follow his instructions and he yells at me not to do that
MazMar     so i quit following his instructions and i get kilt
master     lol behind your back
master     yeah and i wonder why that happend lol
MazMar     so eventually i just start luring the ****tards on the other team to blow up their own ports
master     hmmm maybe your up againsed some major players in the game and he wants
MazMar     and suddenly it gets back to me that conversations are going on at ICQ but not to my face
master     u too do what he says not what u think
MazMar     look dude
MazMar     he told me to go to sector 1
MazMar     then screeched at me to quit moving
MazMar     wtf do u or him want from me?
MazMar     either i follow his instructions or i dont
MazMar     he doesn't get to tell me 1 thing and then **** around when i ****ing do it
master     dude your talkin **** on here why ?
master     just exit the corp and quit if u dont wanna play
MazMar     because i'm seriously ****ing pissed off?
MazMar     listen to me, you little **** eater: i don't keep logging in because i don't want to play
River     just try to listen and sometimes things change he proably saw them coming looking for u so he told u to stop
MazMar     by the time he said to stop moving i was already in a ****ing mess he got me into by giving me the first order, u numnut
master     lol man you are tough over the computer LOL
MazMar     he doesn't know his ******* from Fedspace
MazMar     i'm tough in RL too, dipsmack
master     maz anytime u wanna get a corp together bring it
MazMar     enough of stupidity is enough of stupidity at a poker table OR a ****ing keyboard, k sonny?
master     lol maz your funny
MazMar     i just wanna know why ****'s being talked behind my back and what it is
River     ehy lets talk civil and work this out if u want to play then lets get it done
MazMar     i started there, RR. then spunky ****tard over there started his ****
master     dude if your getting pissed off about a game maybe u shouldnt play it
River     well namecalling isn't going to help
MazMar     i'm getting pissed off about alex's juvenile ****ing behavior, not about the game
MazMar     do u see the difference or do i need to draw you a picture in crayon?
master     lol ok its like this u keep getting killed over and over and he felt u just didnt
master     want to play u were being a rogue so not sure what he said but u wernt
master     playing a game with the corp u were on your own doing things by yourself
master     not much we can say but all of us are doing well and playing together and all
MazMar     well
master     u had to do was say hey river hey spy hey alex what do u want me to do
MazMar     doing **** by myself i supplied at least two other corpmates with 3 passes of ZTM work
master     and one of us would have said ok lets get u commissioned or something
MazMar     doing **** by myself i supplied at least 1 other corpmate with starting money after others leeched him dry
master     and lets start going insted of getitng killed and pissed ask questions try
MazMar     doing **** by myself i did just fine until our ****tard CEO told me to go to sector 1, which was when i died for the first time and kept at it
master     not too get mad about dumb stuff
MazMar     so i log in one day and find out ****'s going on that nobody's talking about to my face
MazMar     and you wonder why i'm a little 'out of sorts'
master     dude you come in talking trash not trying to solve a prob thats why nothing
master     was said by me to solve your prob
MazMar     THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS MY CORPMATES CALL ME NOOB AND THE *******S ON THE OTHER TEAM DO THE SAME
master     if u can take direction then lets get too it if u can get over being mad lets get u
master     a ship and lets go
MazMar     AND THE REASON I'M CALLED A NOOB IS FOR DOING AS THE CEO SAYS
MazMar     WHILE THE ****TARD CEO'S INSTRUCTIONS ARE WHY I'M DYING
master     dude alex calls me a noob for doing stupid **** too i dont take it personely
MazMar     if you people want me off the corp, say so to my ****ing face
MazMar     like adults
master     u wanna see what he said when i killed myself yesterday he wasnt happy
River     i tried to help u day one and you were out in sapce wasting all your turns and wouldn't stay put so we #could get u to fed then u were worried about a shi
MazMar     don't go whining behind my back like some pathetic ex-girlfriend
River     that the ceo didn't want upgraded or used
River     you wouldn't listen to us at all
master     if your within 100 miles of me i will
MazMar     that was after the CEO's idiot instructions got me kilt the first time
MazMar     you recall that when it happened he had a pat excuse all ready for why
River     no this was day one first time in game
MazMar     i was in unexplored territory and doing just fine with creds and turns
MazMar     yeah, RR, that's exactly what we're talking about
MazMar     the first day ingame
MazMar     unless you're talking about yesterday when you got me tported into some ship without scanners
River     thats not the point we came in here as a corp we just don't run around
River     when we could afford a ship we would of gotten u one when u have 15 players coming into game we had goals to get to the best start we could
master     u act like u were the only one sitting doing nothing tell we were setup
River     he knew what he wanted to do and turns running around in a 3 tpw shio wasn't one of them
master     i sat for like 36 hrs before i could do anything its a turn game thats the way
master     they are played sit and wait to do stuff
master     nothing personel just trying to get a good start and if everyone did what they
MazMar     dude, i've tried to explain umpteen ****ing times on this subspace channel that TPW has to be weighed against HPW and OPW and CPW
master     wanted and got killed game would be over allready
MazMar     the fact that you people think TPW is the end-all-be-all of any ship in TradeWars makes me wonder where the **** you came from
master     LOL dude you think your the best lets go
River     see u don't listen
MazMar     no, River
master     u wanna see how fast i can beat u down in a game river can roll a game right
MazMar     i listen and i respond
master     now
MazMar     u don't listen and then tell me i don't listen
MazMar     i never said i was the best, master, i just said i've got more on my mind than my ****ing tpw
master     u think your the best lets play deathmatch
MazMar     which anybody with half a brain could say
River     we will try to make u understand how our ceo wants to play this game he is ceo and we do what he says
master     tpw is the only thing u need to think of in a turn game lol
MazMar     I TRIED DOING WHAT CEO SAID AND I GOT KILLED FOR IT
MazMar     get it, sparky?
master     theres only one thing in your mind your not seeing what we are saying
MazMar     i am seeing what you're saying
MazMar     i'm reading every ****ing word
MazMar     the problem is you're not paying attention
master     what did alex tell u to do ?
MazMar     Alex told me to go to sector 1
master     when u came in
River     well then why don't u just leave and go play the game the way u want to we play as a corp here which means teamwoirk and if u got kill for thei **** happe
MazMar     River Rat: Shut the **** up right now and pay attention, cuz I'm only telling your retard Butt this one more time
MazMar     "River Rat: The problem isn't taking one for the team
master     i bet he said dont do anything and go back to 1 and u got killed because
master     u went out in the game on your own right off the bat
MazMar     River Rat: The problem is being abused on subspace by the team for taking one for the ****ing team
MazMar     GET IT YET *******S?
master     dude nothing personel but i dont think your a team player so i guess we are
master     saying screw it u can drop and cby
MazMar     you're still not listening, master, so shut the retard **** up
master     lol i think we are done listening im sorry
MazMar     you were done listening before the conversation even started, and you've made that clear from the first time you ran your mouth.
master     u have some major probloms and none of us really care lol
MazMar     you took the words right out of my mouth, you idiot
master     yeah pretty much u started talking **** u can cby
MazMar     no honey
MazMar     i started asking why **** was being talked behind my back
MazMar     at least i've got the balls to say it to your face, you degenerate
master     yeah and your mad alex called u a noob get over it lol
MazMar     no
MazMar     alex didn't call me a noob
master     thats what u said he said someone told ya
MazMar     some other ****tard who doesn't understand the concept of HPW+Odds+Capacities/TPW=X, and X is the value of a given ship
MazMar     no ****tard
MazMar     i said someone told me Alex was whining he wanted me off the corp
master     and if alex says that normaly u get booted but he gave u a chance to see
River     if he wanted u off corp he could of taken u off corp very simple to do
master     what u could do but it seems like your in your own little world
MazMar     look dude
MazMar     i heard that story both from the other team on FedComm and from Kaus on subspace
MazMar     so if it didn't happen, we've got a spy
master     if he wanted u off it was because i dont take direction and as of right now
MazMar     and we all know that this game was pre-arranged by Rev, so booting someone off the corp isn't as simple as in common TW
master     hes right because you dont get whats going on
master     no it is as simple
MazMar     look dip****, it is simple
MazMar     tradewars is played inside out, not the other way around
MazMar     i get it just fine
MazMar     only a real noob cares who wins or who loses
master     lol man your acting like a 12 year old that thinks hes the ****
MazMar     actual TW players will foster enmities from a game 6 months old and **** over their own team just to see the one guy they don't like lose
MazMar     master? look in a ****ing mirror you mongoloid
master     man your just too smart for us just cby lol
master     u have this game won in your mind so play it alone lol
MazMar     hey master?
master     yep thatz me
MazMar     i didn't intend to cby when i logged in, and i don't intend to now, you ****ing moron
master     well your acting like a spoiled little brat that cant take direction from anyone
MazMar     i took direction the first ****ing day i was in this game
MazMar     i died
MazMar     i was abused by ****ing ******* retards like you
MazMar     i quit
MazMar     same thing happened
MazMar     kinda funny, that
MazMar     i get abused whether you retards tell me what to do or not, see
master     lol man get that out of your head
MazMar     so it doesn't really matter
MazMar     one way or the other
master     dude so alex told ya to go out and trade ?
MazMar     so go **** yourself, put all your rhetoric and pre-conceived bull**** in your Butt where it belongs
MazMar     alex didn't tell anybody anything you ****tard
MazMar     ALEX GOT HIS Butt HANDED TO HIM THE FIRST 30 SECONDS OF THE GAME
MazMar     REMEMBER, ****PIPE?
master     oh so u went on your own and started doing stupid stuff and died ?
master     and wanted to blame it on ceo ?
MazMar     no, retard
master     i got it right lol huh sucks dont it
MazMar     i went on my own and spent 3 hours on ZTM
MazMar     then i spent 2 hours emailing my data to other corpmates
MazMar     then i went out trading, ran out of figs, and called for corp assistance
MazMar     my CEO told me to go to sector 1
MazMar     when i told him i'd been caught by the enemy, he told me to quit moving
MazMar     well, ****ing DUH i'm not moving anymore
master     so u ran out of figs doing things on your own and tryed to get one of the others
master     to bail u out and ya blamed your death on the ceo
MazMar     are you capable of assimilating this information and performing independent analysis, or am i wasting my time on you?
MazMar     i suspect i may be, because you're too ****ing stupid to reach any conclusion but the one you've been told to reach
master     u went out in the game when nobody told u too u went on your own and then
master     someone told u to go back to 1 and u died so u got killed doing stupid things
MazMar     everybody else who was actually here and able to play did the same thing, you moron
MazMar     the only thing i did wrong was listen to the asshat CEO and head for Fedspace instead of staying in open area where it was safe
MazMar     getting it yet or is your browplate too thick?
MazMar     man, you're thinking hard for a comeback. i can almost smell the acrid smoke from the grinding gears in your little hamster wheel.

Hell of a thread you started OSO, gj. I tried to do the profile thing but won't connect me. My ICQ is 262-462-856, ring me up, comp time is iffy so may take a bit for me to auth/answer.

Thanks Gray, have you on my list now.

Tonight I had another person chew me out in the game. I was floored by his reasoning:

Moss     so much for this game. no point in playing is there
Oso     nope
Oso     none at all
Moss     doesn't it bother you? Gridding takes all the fun out of it. You don't really "win". You just keep others from playing. Boring,boring,boring...
Oso     nope. grid is part of the defensive game. I have all the planets. I do "win"
Oso     gridding is an essential part of the game.
Oso     I have some friends who didn't grid, now they are losing their game.
Moss     but there's no competition-no excitement. No victory, except possibly the cheap one of preventing others from playing and/or killing newbies and latecomers
Oso     or the victory of having played this game over 2 weeks and killed all those who were playing it too
Oso     there is competition. no, I'm not required to start over as if I was just joining the game. what does all my hard work and effort count for then?
Moss     whoever gets there first "wins". But its not like you developed planets and thyen fought it out with millions of figs
Oso     not whoever gets their first "wins" whoever is first to invade everyone else, cap their planets, pod them, and then hold onto what they have "wins".
Oso     There's 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter and you want me to change the score to 0-0
Moss     Its a valid strategy, i guess, but is it fun? I disagree. Putting a fig in every sector so nobody can move requires no finesse at all.
Oso     it certainly does- requires the ability to avoid getting killed by the people whose figs were in that sector
Oso     We were not unopposed in this game.

I hope the sysop bangs this game soon.

Some people think that just because there are 1 or 2 other ppl not #SD# in a game that you were in it all by yourself.
I could just scream... no killing noobs, and now you shouldn't have an effing GRID??
C'Mon!

That's about the point where you hunt them down and kill them.

It is a kill or be killed game. Too bad I spend too much time on the wrong end of that equation

I don't know who Moss is but he don't get it does he?

I am teaching a guy in my office now, think I will show him the Z key in a day or two <big smile>. We can use helpers from the office either, so he gets to learn the REAL hard way .

Hey Bear, where is that game maybe I'll come play.

Well at least that guy, whoever he is has one hell of an imagination!

Very interesting post. You must have been waiting for the paint to dry, or watching the grass grow.

Heh wish I would have saved the SS msg's that were said bout me when I hit a wrong key and kemper went ballistic.

But <can I call him a noob?> MazMar seems to lack the simple understanding of human nature.... when we get p***ed off we tend to take it out on the ones we luv!

Ok maybe not appropiate here but it had to be said

Laff, was just funny that their corp was so fractured they couldn't even get a base built. We had like 5 by the time we finished... only to find out that nothing went mobile. Sigh... tpads sure came in handy tho.

Wanna know something else that's funny? Muss gridded right into our primary base that night he died. But yet nobody bothered to sniff around for us. We kept developing in peace...

LOL That was kind of dysfunctional.
Everyone was waiting for someone to step up and lead.