Ok, daddy's turn to post.

first:
"if being yellow bellied means not wanting to fight to stop saddam husseins reign of terror and his nuclear weapon making facilities that never existed"

erm, im pretty sure we were looking for *any* weapons of mass destruction, not just nuclear. if you don't think they exist, try going north of bagdhad and checking out the mass graves.
if you would enjoy having saddam in power, maybe you should check out his torture/rape rooms with him incharge.
would you enjoy watching his people rape and torture your wife and children in front of you right before you get tortured to death? probably not.
guess what, not many people did.
we helped them.
ever been to detroit?
detroit has the largest iraqi population in the united states.
guess what happened in detroit when we invaded and took saddam down?
they all took to the streets...
in celebration.
guess what happened in iraq...
they celebrated.
guess why we're still over there...
cause there are small groups of extremist muslims all over the world who hate all that we stand for (ie: freedom, liberty, justice)
they are from all over the middle east.
they hate that we try to promote peace in the middle east.
they think we should mind our business and let them have their war for the "holy land"
they think we should allow mass genocide of the innocent.
they think that when they die killing others, that their god will shine upon them.
they are taught hatred for everything and everyone from a very small age.
they are willing to not only take the lives of fighting men, but of innocent women and children, even the people of their "own country"
they are willing to give their own life so that you can no longer live yours.
they are brainwashed religious zealots trained and bred for no other reason than to shed innocent blood.
we are doing our best to protect iraqi's from these people.
people like you, don't understand that.
people like you, sitting safe in your suburban home in america, safe from all danger.
people like you, who care nothing for the lives of your fellow countrymen who are willing to step up to the plate, and give their life if need be, so others can live.
you do not understand freedom.
you do not understand honor.
you do not understand patriotism.
all you see is the fact (yes fact) that bush is a slimey schmuck, so you point at the soldiers and look down upon them.
i ask this.
think not about the people who are giving their lives to make iraq a safer place (and indirectly america)
think not about the people all over the world giving their lives daily so others can sleep peacefully
think about the past.
think about how and why america was formed.
think about the people who's blood *does* reside in the soil of america.
not just those innocents who died sept 11th.
think of those long past, who gave their lives, so people like you could have the freedom to stand up and say whatever you want, even if it's that you hate america.
sure, america isn't perfect, no country is.
but damnit, i'm proud to be an american, and i am Darn willing to give my life to keep it safe.
those of us who have signed our names on that dotted line,
those of us who step up,
those of us willing to be all we can be,
do you think we *want* to die?
do you think we *want to kill?
do you think we *want* to leave our wives and children home, not knowing if we will see them again, because one person says we have to go half way around the world to fight people we have never met?
do you think we appreciate coming home and having people sit and ***** about the war being wrong, and the war being for oil, and this and that?
do you think we appreciate ignorant people telling us what they think of war? something they have never, and will never experience?
until you experience either:
a) going to war and seeing the death, the destruction, the rebuilding
b) living in a third world country, having no freedoms, and no riches that you so much enjoy today
i suggest that you just keep your opinions to yourself and show some respect.
i suggest that the next time you see a soldier, i don't care if it is a retired vietnam vet, or someone who just got out of basic training, i suggest you shake their hand, tell them thank you, and then go enjoy your cappicino in peace.
if the military never existed... neither would america.


Spc Kreis
1999-current
ARNG

u just about put me in tears slim. that pretty much somes it up!


cm2(scw)sapp
usn

Singularity, Slim - BULLSEYE. You guys covered all the bases, nothing really left for me to say except that Ender is hopelessly naive and ghoury is just a jerk.

I just went to the wedding of a friend of mine tonight who happens to be an Army Drill Instructor. I was proud to shake his hand, and the hands of his fellow soldiers, and thank them for what they have done, are doing, and will continue to do for this country.

Wow Slim, I can see the smoke from you're keyboard from here. hehe j/k

so rexx you are telling me its not smart to put extra pressure on the characteristics we know are more likely to strike? kinda kooky

ok, poppy's turn to post

first:
"if you would enjoy having saddam in power, maybe you should check out his torture/rape rooms with him incharge."

at no time did i say he was a good person or good leader. but that doesnt change the fact our "freedom" was never at stake, and that the basis of the war was exaggerated.

second:
"they think we should allow mass genocide of the innocent."
we were never bothered by it before in other countries, why do we feel different about iraq?

third:
"they are willing to give their own life so that you can no longer live yours."
wouldnt you do that if there were iraq ground troops storming across mississippi?

fourth:
"do you think we appreciate ignorant people telling us what they think of war? something they have never, and will never experience?"
well i happen to work with about 10 people who served in iraq and afghanistan, they all say the same things i do.

fifth:
"think of those long past, who gave their lives, so people like you could have the freedom to stand up and say whatever you want, even if it's that you hate america." ... "i suggest that you just keep your opinions to yourself and show some respect."
oh, you just said that i have the freedom to say whatever i feel, yet when i do, i am an *******. but people like Michael Savage can express their opinion and be loved, because he is a racist piece of ****.

also please note: at no time did i slam the soldiers over there fighting, i have respect for them. i have family members over there, i just do not agree with the reason we went, and that is my opinion that FREEDOM gives me the right to express, remember?

and then of course, we have to deal with intellectuals like this.. he must be a Ph.D

Stockton (12:54 AM) :
please take this as a compliment.. <u cracked me up on teamspeak> but you are a prick.. why u give a **** about dirty arabs?
Stockton (12:55 AM) :
lol you say that to my face and you are going home with a bloody nose telling your fat girlfriend that im a neaderthol.. *****
Stockton (12:56 AM) :
**** ******s you faggot
Stockton (12:56 AM) :
anyone who isnt of the purest creamy white heritage i will *****slap you lefty queer
Stockton (12:56 AM) :
******s are subhuman trash.. so are arabs
Stockton (12:56 AM) :
****** ****
Stockton (12:57 AM) :
u act like a total **** on eis and piss everyone off.. but u love ******s.. faggot
Stockton (1:13 AM) :
i hope your sister gets raped by a ******.. later *****


im pretty sure the racist N word is starred out here.. atleast it should be, that word fits in alot of those stars

laff, so sue me

The reason we went or the stated reason we went? Cause when Bush said WMD,
we didn't find any... so? Then regime change, so? Truth is, no matter what
reason is given, most people know that the world will be a better place
after these people are out of power. The world WILL be a better place because
of all this, even if it takes another 10 years.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call myself a conservative in any fashion.
But when it comes to issues of war, especially what's going on in Iraq,
I have no trouble seperating the leader from the brave men and women he
leads. I will not, cannot, impeach the honor of people that have
demonstrated more courage than I. The world will be a better, more stable
place because of their sacrifices.

Slim, what you said... amen.

Jeeze... do I sense some bad personal blood here?

wow bob im so embarrased lol, let the community hate me,
oh btw bob made up a few of those lines, and a few i did say and i stand by it..

roffles.. its ok i have a screen shot of you sayin all that stuff to, can send it to anyone if they are interested

quote:"they are willing to give their own life so that you can no longer live yours."
wouldnt you do that if there were iraq ground troops storming across mississippi?
A) They were willing to do it long before we sent ground troops over there.
B) If the governor of Mississippi was gassing civilians and for some reason the national guard and our own army wasn't doing anything about it, hell yeah I'd be happy about Iraqi ground troops doing it. At least SOMEONE had the balls to do it, eh?

quote:Originally posted by Stockton

so rexx you are telling me its not smart to put extra pressure on the characteristics we know are more likely to strike? kinda kooky

If you are referring to fighting terrorists, then yes that is what I am saying. Terrorists feed off of attention this is often their sole factor and motivation. The more attention you give them the more they will begin to flourish and preach. Terrorists often have unlimited funding, training, and illicit weapons access. Terrorists are always embedded within special interest groups that have hidden agendas. Insurgents and gorillas are mainly participating in activities for some form of monetary gain, although they can also be directly linked and associated with terrorists.

Also do not forget about the numerous local groups within the U.S., these groups often take part in terroristic activities themselves. (i.e. blowing up abortion clinics, burning Hummers and new home construction sites, partaking in organized gang activities, etc.) Though our government chooses to refer to them as "radicals" and “extremists”, this is done as a way to suppress the attention they would otherwise receive if they were called what they actually are, terrorists.

If we were to spend our time developing policies to counter their potentiality to strike in the first place then we have prevented their ability to receive the “recognition” they so desperately seek to gain. To prove my point, is there anybody that actually thinks there will be another attempt ever made to hijack so much as one of our U.S. commercial jetliners again? (Referring to the tragic 9/11 incidents.)

I personally say no, because they have been made aware of the extreme precautions we have taken to deter another 9/11 from ever occurring again. So we have forced them to develop new strategies and find new ways of focusing their attacks, as long as we maintain our vigilance in the air there will never be another 9/11 type of occurrence within the U.S. again. Keeping in mind this will be true as long as our local agencies are able to work together and coordinate their information exchange and intelligence data, we should be able to prevent future attacks within our own boarders from occurring by implementing the appropriate countermeasures.

We should also consider the benefits gained by relaying information both to and from our allied Countries for global cooperation and terrorist suppression. Terrorists spend their time learning about their target and understanding it, by doing so they realize that they can easily beat it; although if we ourselves consistently remain those diligent two-steps ahead of them, they will be surprised to find their plans have been prevented long before they have a chance to be implemented.

Rumor has it that terrorists are looking at now planning on using tanker tucks as fortified mobile bombs, dropping forms of CBR into our cities water supplies, cattle, and crops, using crop dusting planes and fixed wings to place large bombs into and then literally kamikazing them into select targets, just to name a few of the things I have heard; see though if we know this information and we act upon it to counter their attempts in advance, rather then being ignorant to reason by telling ourselves it will never happen, then we will have won this round in the battle for terrorist movements. These types of battles will never end, so we must ourselves be able to adapt and be ever vigilant in our chosen methods. On a final note terrorists are not limited by race, you might be surprised at what trading money and weapons will get accomplished for you; my point here is that going to their “assumed” Country to attack and kill them, is going to be completely fruitless. We have to realize and accept better alternatives when dealing with terrorists minds. Playing the part of a harlequin to straight up warfare is not an alterative that should be high up on our list of these available alternatives.

On a final note, keep in mind that the moment we realize the characteristics of a terrorist strike, is the moment it no longer serves any benefit to the terrorist to perform; hence there is no longer any more elemental value of surprise or "shock and awe" left to it, as we would develop new and reliable ways to inhibit that type of strike from occurring again on our U.S. soil.

Terrorists want an entire set of outcomes, media attention being only a
means to an end. Normally the goal is power and a following. Ignoring them
will not make the problem go away, they'll just hit harder and harder until
eventually public outcry forces it. Look at what happened with 9/11. How
many embassy bombings, how many smaller bombings, heck... the wtc itself
was bombed prior. We ignored them, so they kept stepping it up until they
finally got our attention.

We *DO* relay a great deal of information to our allies.

And attacking the country of origin DOES help the problem. Why? Because it
puts emphasis on the leaders of those nations to pay attention to the problem
and to ensure that those guilty are brought to justice. While these individuals
are not limited to race, they are limited to an ideology. And such ideologies
are attractive to only a certain subset of people.

and just because we recognize the academic or cerebral qualities of a terrorist
attack doesn't mean it no longer has value. A terrorist attack is a very simple
thing, usually nothing more than an elaborate bombing run. Nevertheless it puts
to the question our own safety.

You're beating a dead strawman. We have an intricate system of deterring attacks
by gathering information, intercepting atackers and coordinating surgical strikes.
But no method is 100%.