quote:and im not going to explane how the bug works, so those who want to exploite this bug, ask your buddy with no crouples.
Zilla, I merely mentioned that I had heard of it and that this is not a new issue. I am not interested in knowing how to accomplish it nor would I waste my own personal time spending the countless hours trying to figure it out.

A little story (cause I have time)….

Back in the day when I played D&D, there was a kid name Bob (Not his real name) that we played with regularly. This guy was very intelligent, even for his age. After many months of arguments and discussions regarding his shady interpretations of the rule book, he managed to earn himself the nickname Bob the “Rules Rapist”.
Any possible flaw in the printing of the Players Handbook resulted in an unfair advantage to Bob. “How can you dispute it? It’s written right there!” He would say. The rest of us knew that it wasn’t supposed to be that way, because logically it didn’t make any sense. It had to be a flaw. But for Bob, it was a way to win, because without those misinterpretations, bob was really a ****ty player.
Take what you want from that story, but never forget the only substitute for skill is hard work + skill

quote:Originally posted by Gualala

Jhereg, While I didn't see the e-mail anyjoe wrote, judging by the wording in the response, it appears he didn't "complain" but rather "asked" an opinion. Maybe no one tried that. I don't know, Just guessing. I can assure you, had anyjoe "known" about the bug with the aliens they wouldn't have been used in the game. I would encourage you to ask JP these questions yourself so you won't have to rely on opinions. Your advice to not use the aliens as long as this "problem" exists is the most reasonable and sound advise to be found on this subject.


So I don't come off like an arse. I know many people have brought this up before. Even a brief search of the forums will bring it up. It has been reported, and to my knowledge existed before the 3.12 version even came out. Now at that time there was no fix for it with all the "recognized" bugs. That is why I question it some.

But my opinion on aliens has always been bad.

Have any of you reported it to JP before this? He doesn't often read theses forums and I don't think I ever thought about passing it along to him.

quote:To the players of ICE9 game B, for the record concerning the early closure of this game due to cheating by bug use by corp 1 and 12. There was some debate as to if this was or was not a bug. I searched long and hard on the topic and found no conclusive official post ether way. I contacted John Pritchett on this matter and here is the final result.

It is not intended behavior. In my design, I clearly intended for the
level of defense to correlate with the amount of product/credits on a
planet. There is obviously a bug here. I consider this important
enough that I will be releasing a new revision to fix it. As soon as I
can devote the time to it (hopefully very soon) I'll get this taken care
of. Until then, the best way to avoid this is to keep your alien
presence light.

--
John Pritchett
Epic Interactive Strategy
http://www.eisonline.com
http://www.tradewars.com

Looks like it was already done Harely

I mean prior to him? I see people saying "it's been a known bug for a long time, just read the forums." I'm telling you, unless someone contacts JP directly about a bug, don't count on him knowing about it.

quote:Originally posted by havocatl

quote:Originally posted by anyjoe2000

To the players of ICE9 game B, for the record concerning the early closure of this game due to cheating by bug use by corp 1 and 12.


Anyjoe,
I won't debate you about this fact, considering there are many different opinions on the Gold Alien "Advantage", but while you are here and posting would you mind explaining to us (Corp 1&12) what role Gualala plays on your board and how you allow someone to pose as a REGULAR player and Mismanage game B by acting RUDE and threatening other playeres with being T-edited or having their passwords reset? Not to mention him "Clairifying" your rules and yelling at people for invading others who have had over 120 days to build up? In my opinion your rules are very Generic and having a PLAYER enforce your rules while PLAYING with everyone else is completely Asinine.

Nobody likes having rules dictated to them from a player that they are competing against.



I have no intention of entering into this flame with you because someone said something you Don't like or agree with, or you think someone has special powers for whatever reason. Regardless of what I say here you are going to believe, whatever you choose to believe For the record Gualala is not and never has been anything more than a regular player in the game. The only players who have been removed from the game were confirmed dupes. I do not speak through any players, I speak directly to them or by mass ship mail. I have gotten the message from many sources that the clarity of the rules need to be improved and am currently working on that. In the future anyone having any problems with ICE9 should direct their concerns to my email address posted prominently on the board and within the games.

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

Have any of you reported it to JP before this? He doesn't often read theses forums and I don't think I ever thought about passing it along to him.


I guess I'll admit no. I was under the assumption that things reported here were for that reason, and that the developer kept an eye on the forums. So if that is the case, i can't say if he was ever made aware of it.

Jhereg

I call BS. Look at Gualala's comments, he talks like he's an OP. Must i mention that the game was locked out to other players while Gualala was testing the bug? Hmm... Regular player my arse.

Reguardless, myself and other players will not be returning to your server. I believe you will be happy with that statement.

That's right Havocatl, it's BS. I did not test the bug. It was tested on a test server, and not by me, although I would have been free to do so. Anyone can do that. It's not even ice9. No one was ever locked out. The game was closed after it was determined there was bug use. It's not what I would have chosen. I don't claim to be so good. As I said, I was all for using it against you, since we killed scorpion and took control of all the aliens. Basically, we took from you the only strategy you had for winning the game. You weren't even around at the time, so your just making stuff up now.I wonder why you don't let this go. Everyone else pretty much has. You, Shazam and the experts you brought to the board are the only ones no longer playing. Shazam is welcome back anytime he gets tired of where he's at. I hope your board is sucessful, although I hear your playing in your own game and the gold aliens are turned on. tsk tsk. (why does this not surprise me) Good Luck to you

Oh so now I am a cheater. Thats news to me. Show me any game log that I was anywhere near alien space. I did not even know where it was when I was playing there. If "my" corp (which I was there to help out) was using it after I left I do not see how that links to me. Now as for him having no power that is kind of odd considering I beleive his exact quote was "if you don't stop we will change your password and turn all your corps assets to rougue" Now from where I come from that is a threat only a sysop could or even should make. I brought my complaint to the board because I was told they did not care what anyone thought about ice9 board. The way I was spoken to and treated (even after saying I was sorry) was un-called for. For starters reread the log I did not kill anyone I photoned him. My corpie did kill him and I still stand by the killing. the person in question was told several times by myself to stop killing figs under our ports or face the wrath. He ignored them so we popped him. I was told to just replace the fig and not kill anyone again. I questioned how you know a newbie and only got you will know as an answer. Now I take much disgust in being called a cheater. I will say it now and many have played with/against me here who will also say I do not cheat. I play the game right and to prove my point I will challenge you gualua you and your corp against me and my corp at a neutral sight to a death match game with no aliens. I will even let you pick the game settings. So now lets see if your big enough to back up your talk. I mean you can come here accusing me by name of cheating then lets go toe to toe. Also I request proof that I was cheating. Show a game log of the planets we owned when I was on corp and you will see there was no alien bug being used at the time. Also nice of you to mention that I left on my own accord without resorting to the threats that you resorted too. but now I say lets go to the game and end this disscussion. We can put this topic to rest once and for all in a death match game.

quote:Originally posted by Gualala

I did not test the bug. It was tested on a test server, and not by me, although I would have been free to do so.

Your a flat out Liar. I tried to enter the game shortly after and I could not, while YOU and Jack the Ripper were online and in the game.
Whats funny is that i could enter game A and C.

quote:
Basically, we took from you the only strategy you had for winning the game. You weren't even around at the time, so your just making stuff up now.

Contrary to popular belife, it didn't make us THAT much more Credits. I already had 1.5 billion in our bank account waiting to cash out. It wasn't helping THAT much since we had plenty of Money making planets that had lots of colonists.

quote:
I wonder why you don't let this go. Everyone else pretty much has.


Your the one who brought this discussion to the forums!!!! I would definatly have prefered to argue about this privatly on your server, but you had to hijack this forum and cause "Drama".

quote:
I hope your board is sucessful, although I hear your playing in your own game and the gold aliens are turned on. tsk tsk. (why does this not surprise me) Good Luck to you


Make up what you want, its just all he said she said BS. I DO have Gold Aliens turned on, however after this I will not bang any more games with Gold Aliens.

Trust me Gualala, none of us will return. Please do us ALL a favor and stop posting. If you MUST have the last word, go for it. This is my last post on the subject of the ICE9 Newbie server.

That's the problem Casper. You misquoted me in the first place. You were told by me that if you kept killing newbies the SYSOP would change your password to keep you from doing it further. I never said anything about making your stuff rougue. I never said I would do anything myself. You took offense to me telling you that. And yes, you apologized but no one threatened you after you apologized. You were asked several times to stay and play. You left on your own accord. You can bad mouth the board all you want. The rules you were unwilling to play by are now CLEARLY posted so the people playing in the games don't have to try to inform those coming into the game what they are. As far as what the corp you were on did later with the cheating, I never accused you of cheating yourself. Why? are you feeling guilty? Go back and re-read it. I think you guys thought you could come here and change the facts around about what happened there and it would go uncontested. You simply wanted to dis the board and the truth wasn't good enough I guess. I'm tired of this flame too. If you do a search on ice9 you will see the original post made here in 2003 by Spooey pretty much stating what ice9 is about. The way I read it, it's pretty clear. What part don't you understand? Whatever it is you don't understand there are plenty of players understanding exactly what it is because there are newbies coming all the time. Casper you are I'm sure, an excellant player. Ice9 wasn't a board for the type of game you seemed to be looking for. However, I think you knew that before you came. Havocatl knew the rules and what the game was before he ever tried to recruit people from here.

quote:Posted - 01/15/2003 : 3:49:59 PM
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ICE9, a Community-Based TWGS Bangs a new game tonight(Wed) at 10:00 pm PST. This is not a league game!!! This is for old school players that want to escape the cut-throat games that seem to be everywhere. No SD blockades the first day, and competitive traders that chat it up while they destroy each other. The server web site is http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/ice9
telnet is: 216.104.67.240:23

The sysop weeds out people that dont fit our profile, so dont waste yer time if you want to win the game in a week. This is a game where long-term building wins out over wreckless abandon.

quote:Ice9 wasn't a board for the type of game you seemed to be looking for. However, I think you knew that before you came.

Actually I had no clue what your game was about. I did not see those rules posted under the rules section. I was asked to come play and did and you are right it is not for me. Nor, have I been back since. I did not misquote you either gu. what I quoted you as saying is exactly what you said to me. I have no want or desire to destroy your board. I have nothing to gain by making up any of this. After I said I was sorry you did continue over fedcom. You were not the one who asked me to stay and play either it was the other guy so again I am confused about what happened I think not. This is a useless flame for even to continue to be in. I stated what had happened placed the link to the rules you so much defended and threatned me with wich had no such newbie clause in it. I was not in the wrong. I did appolagize for killing him and did leave the board on my own accord without causing anymore problems with it. I just forwarned everyone here about your attiutde twords people who do not conform to who I saw it at the time as your rules. What was said by you that day was uncalled for and did make you come off as the sysop. To be honest with you I thought you were the sysop. My complaint is not with the rules. Now stated I think it is great I wont play in it but, back then was not stated in the rules and threats are not the way to enforce them either. Now that I have said my peace I am done with this thread. I wish you and your board well in your endevours.

sigh...
point is, avoid ice9 at all costs.
people from ice9 agree,
people booted from ice9 agree.
topic over?