First, I'm going to give you a smack-down. Then maybe we can play together.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the world's not out to get you.

bone, funny hearing you brag about how good you are at killing, you loki and turok do suck, I agree with gypsy and I've played a game against you.

I gotta be one of the slowest when it comes to making cash in unlimiteds, but the only one I got a halfway decent start in, I believe I killed you 2 or 3 times (I think 3, but I forgot) in the first day, you were harry potter i think, you were talkin all kinds of crap too, it was funny I got loki twice that day, one time I got him right out from underneith Turok. As much as I suck, it shouldn't be that easy. Oh yeah, my corp was taken out of that game cause of your buddy turok back stabbing us, takes a lotta skill to do that. The only reason turok stayed alive was cause he supposedly had an aliance with lilrogue, soon as he got his crap together he wanted to "show us a sector" and traped us in an IG and killed us, is that the special killing skills your talking about?

The reason you seem to dominate those other games is cause you guys probably got the fastest wtrade and wssm scripts out there. Without resources, people can't do any damage. If you make cash slow like I do, folks watch the class 0's and you can't WSSM in order to get the resources to do damage I'd bet if you put half these folks talkin in this forum in a game with an equal amount of resources you guys would get your asses kicked. It is a script kiddie game, those with the fastest scripts get the resources faster and can take control of a game.

Quit tryin to act like a bad Butt, it isn't working.

Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk

LMAO...zandramus, cmon down then. Tired of hearing about "I would, or I could." If you are so dang good then come show me. In my game one million creds per 100 turns doesnt mean a thing. Come show me how good at killing you are. I play at Uncharted when they bang. I play at campus party when he bangs. I play at freeplay. I play at negative zero (does anyone know why this is down?). Look me up and holler at me. Dont come in with an alias. Play under your name and then when you kill me i will be more than happy to give you props. And if i kill you, maybe you will let me graduate from preschool?

Camaro you just made my day. Please show me your screen cap of you killing me. You tried to blow a port on me once. Didnt work got yourself killed. You have NEVER dominated a game I played in so please dont pump yourself up. I do remember getting podded by you once. But alas, i also remember these words "Hey Bone, you didnt kill me! I cbyed so that doesnt count! (ala, Res)" Then you tried your best to restart the game and were #SD# in a matter of minutes. You suck at unlimiteds. Period. I will give you props at turns. You are obviously pretty good there, but not in my game. And BTW, you still play as Ironhead? I just #SD# someone under that name on another board about three minutes ago. Was it you?

Posi, what you said only proves my point. You wont come into a game I am on and run a world ssm script and get away with it. Because i wont let you. If i am able to run wssm for 24 hours then you arent very good. And as i said before, the attack scripts i have are WAY more effective in turns than unlimiteds. I do play some turns games. I have even had my butt handed to me recently in turns games. Hell, i even had a decent corpie in one of them and still managed to get blasted. No problem admitting that. But it doesnt change the fact that the first few days are kinda boring.

Finally for ALL of you great players. Please holler at me when you are starting a turns game next. I would be more than happy to give you a go and let you teach me a thing or two. As good as you say you are I might even be able to learn something from you. And even then when you are able to kill me with even figs, etc. I will be more than happy to give you props.

Bone Collector

BTW, ironhead, Campus party has a great game that bangs that is suited to you slow pokes. 24 hour no attack rule. It would give even your sorry butt a chance to get mass resources. Come on down next bang. Would love to see you there.

I only played one game as ironhead, cause i noticed some queer using that name with the TWA, thats the guy you killed.

I never claimed to be good at unlimiteds, I got the slowest script known to man and I'm on a 26.4 connection. All I do in unlimited games is wtrade to get enough cash for a few limpets and about 10k figs then I just try to catch folks on ports, eventually I get out numbered and blocked in fed so then I just cby. I only got killed once tryin to catch someone on a port, its when i tracked someone to rhylos and they docked, I attacked the port outta reflex action and died (doh!) was that you?

Btw, I never try to dominate unlimiteds, I just love it when folks try to trap me with my limpets and its fun playin cat and mouse when I eventually get out gunned, I get to see how slow you folks really are

You wont see me in a limited game for a while, can't put any time in it anymore. Tell me the address to the campus party game and I'll run a script all day and if I'm around for the 2nd day I'll frack with you.

Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk

quote:
BTW, ironhead, Campus party has a great game that bangs that is suited to you slow pokes. 24 hour no attack rule. It would give even your sorry butt a chance to get mass resources. Come on down next bang. Would love to see you there.


I do not play unlimited turn games. I have messed around in one or two for an hour here or there, but never have I played one seriously. That being said, I would be willing to try one sometime, against you, if you will tell me when one is running. I would prefer something with stock ships. I just have a lousy 28.8 internet connection, so if the game is allowed to progress very far, I will not be able to match your cashing. If you find a game suited to this, I will be willing to play you, not you and 2 or 3 buddies. I am curious how good you are.

Im just curious all you peeps out here bashing scripts right?? So I am to believe none of you use scripts?? In turns no one uses scripts?? I need to know if no one does then hell i need to learn to type faster so i can keep up. You people want us to think you play this game all by hand ROFL. I dare you to play a turns game all by hand against Anyone. Scripts are this games Future, deal with it. If you dont use scripts you can't compete in this game."your"?? I suppose you meant you are maybe. Learn to spell before you call someone an idiot. Posi why the hell do you play unlimiteds if they are just Wars? I've never even seen you power up weapons systems in a game. I also can obviously read since i read this on campus party just today
LokI took radiation damage attacking cfposi
LokI DESTROYED cfposi's RedRum!
LokI DESTROYED cfposi's RedRumPod!
(Both Manned)
Can you read that?? I didn't even use a make believe 24/7 script on ya. No script for you. I ssm in a game long enough to get a big ship then i look to other methods to grab assets and killing is the best way. I get all your assets then the game is over right? Do you guys think i have ever SSM'ed for 24 hours straight in any game i have ever played. If so you are sadly mistaken. I don't go watch T.V. when running any scripts, you guys do? If so i can see one reason why you both suck at unlimiteds.


LokI is powering up weapons systems!

Hey posi, you have to admit he has a point there. You havent ever powered up weapons systems in a game i played with you.

Bone Collector

quote:
I find it strange that you actually associate experience points with winning/losing. This just shows how much you dont know about the game... The key to winning/losing is to have all the chit and kill all the competition..

Zandramus



Here is the last two unlimiteds we have played in and i think this is what he meant by on top silly.

TWFreeplay
1 9,734 418,340 4-={ Bone CoLLector }=- Ascian Boat of Humility
2 7,448 1,437,249 4 LokI RedRum
3 4,713 -12,010 3 Blackjack #Ship Destroyed #
4 3,900 -2,526 1 wildstar # Ship Destroyed #
5 3,260 -92,347 5 BigDog # Ship Destroyed #
6 2,424 -4,579 2 Res Judicata # Ship Destroyed #
7 1,075 4 ** Lockjaw # Ship Destroyed #
8 340 143 4 james Underground Trader
9 313 -491 2 Freejack # Ship Destroyed #
10 242 -56,806 6 Ghost # Ship Destroyed #
11 90 229 ** Negley97 # Ship Destroyed #
12 3 598 ** pheonix # Ship Destroyed #
13 0 4 ** Vockaln # Ship Destroyed #
14 0 -984,165 1 acid reflux # Ship Destroyed #
15 0 6 ** Mistwolf # Ship Destroyed #
16 0 4 ** . # Ship Destroyed #

Campus Party
1 34,415 2,249,812 5 Corporate Killer # Ship Destroyed #
2 9,746 -2,250,000 5 ((( Alexio ))) # Ship Destroyed #
3 8,554 26,068 5 >> # Ship Destroyed #
4 6,133 1,531 4 porthos Imperial StarTrader
Elite
5 4,741 -2,250,000 1 Acid Reflux # Ship Destroyed #
6 3,850 3,722 1 wildstar # Ship Destroyed #
7 3,645 -2,248,220 2 Sven # Ship Destroyed #
8 3,447 -1,170,044 1 Two Winds # Ship Destroyed #
9 2,971 119,491 ** Kiwi # Ship Destroyed #
10 2,358 -41,270 4 arthos # Ship Destroyed #
11 1,912 -294,736 1 Kremel # Ship Destroyed #
12 1,856 -1,748,503 1 cfposi # Ship Destroyed #
13 1,715 214,123 5 .-Trooper-. # Ship Destroyed #
14 1,674 -2,250,000 ** lilrogue # Ship Destroyed #
15 761 -983,232 2 LokI Ascian Boat of Humil
ity
16 409 121,515 ** st. copious # Ship Destroyed #
17 0 4,500,000 2 Survey_Says Ascian Boat of Humil
ity
18 0 2,213,771 2 -={ Bone CoLLector }=- Ascian Boat of Humil
ity

Does either one of these qualify as having all the chit and killing all the competition? If not i would like to know what defines this amazing thing. As for your comment on how many posts peeps have WTF does that have to do with how new you are to the game?? Are you a lil short in the intelligence department? Why would you even say such a thing? Posting here doesnt make you any good or experienced guy get with it.

LokI is powering up weapons systems!

Rave's First Law of Trade Wars: Never let a good snicker go to waste.

Interesting conversation. Since I always have an opinion on everything, I guess I'll jump in and set the record straight regarding the difference between unlimited players and turn-limited players. At least, my version of the record.

Unlimited players are entirely a different breed of TW players. The action in an unlimited is fast and furious. If a unlimited turn game isn't locked down and over in a matter of hours (not days, but hours) then there's no truly elite unlimited turn players in the game to begin with.

I'm uninterested in unlimited turn games for just this reason. I've never hosted one on my server (nor will I ever) but I've played in one (won it, hands down, but that was back in the day before TWX was made public and I was using the rogue WorldTrade and WorldSSM scripts in order to write a review on TWX before its public debut). That one game soured me on unlimiteds.

Unlimited turn players often make good hunter/killers. Look at some of the best killers in turn limited games today. Specifically Res Judicata and Xide. Both got their start in unlimited turn games, both are two of the three best killers in the game today. (hELLCAT being the third, not in any particular order, with Gravedigr rapidly catching up with the rest of the pack... that boy will be very dangerous soon.)

As for asset management, turn management and overall strategy, unlimited players seem to lack these player qualities. They're often sitting ducks in turn-limited games as they struggle against inefficient use of turns and having to develop long-term game strategies alongside short-term corporate goals. They're still good killers (providing they don't go e-warping across the universe and burn turns), but being successful at turn-limited games requires more than arcade-style shoot-em-up action.

On the other hand, most turn-limited players have a hard time making the switch to unlimited turn games (at least, that's been my impression) where the action is nonstop and you really need to be making cash constantly.

The other problem is no matter how good a player is, if they're on a slower connection such as dial-up, they're going to make far less cash. Turn limited games provide a workable buffer for this. Sure, a dial up user might take ten minutes to do a buydown vs. 45 seconds for someone on a broadband connection, but both are limited in profitability by the turn limit. In a unlimited game, the cashing potential of dial up users pales in comparison to broadband players.

As for the player rankings shown above, a corp of three players in a game with 18 or so players, with corps averaging two players each, is no great victory. I see plenty of one and two player corps, and in the first player list at least, only one corp of three players (the winners). Perhaps you should find some more heavily populated unlimited turn games.

The best players (in my opinion) are those who started with unlimited turn games and then make the transition to turn-limited games. They bring with them the HK (hunter/killer) skills of an arcade shoot-em-up game and after a little time learning turn and asset management, fit in well in turn-limited games. I can definitely see where some people might consider this a "graduation from preschool." Being able to kill is all well and good (it is Trade WARS after all), but it's only the tip of the iceberg (and actually one of the easiest skills to learn IMHO).



Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave

Edited by - rave on April 10 2002 02:58:11 AM

Well I guess we will see now as Bone collector seems to be the new corp 3 biatch over on coastgames game a


Zandramus


Riftwars.dnsalias.com
RiftwarsBBS.mine.nu port 23

quote:As for u LokI...if u don't run very long term scripts, why is it u NEVER seem to be offline? Do u ever sleep? Cuz the only way u could pull all that crap off without running a long term script is by sitting at your computer all day and all night without sleep. Somehow I find this hard to believe!

Am I the only person that thinks you have lost your mind? Do you not know what a keep alive script is? If not I suggest you look that up. Some people have a cable connection which doesn't use the phone line therefore staying online for 24 hours in no big deal. As for people saying that you said you are better than them i see no where in this log a statement about someone being better than you. What the hell you keep saying that for??

quote:But your techniques are very repetitive, so I am sure, after a lot of practice,

Why not follow those techniques yourself since they are so effective in every game you have ever played against me?


quote:As for the player rankings shown above, a corp of three players in a game with 18 or so players, with corps averaging two players each, is no great victory. I see plenty of one and two player corps, and in the first player list at least, only one corp of three players (the winners). Perhaps you should find some more heavily populated unlimited turn games.



Well Rave let's see where to begin? First of all this unlimited was 24-48 hours old when me and BC joined. The peeps already in game had large figs and assets(Alien homeworlds etc.). We killed one of them at the very beginning to have some starting cash and I was told we would be dead by midnight by the leading corp Wildstar and company. Next of all after the smoke cleared and everyone was dead we let a newb named james join. If you will scroll back up through the thread you will see this same game stats posted by BC with a #SD# james and he is not in our corp. I'm not saying jack by posting those. Not saying it was a Great Victory or even a fun victory. If you will look at the content of that post as a whole i was trying to make sure zand. knew BC knew what on top is. OK??

LokI is powering up weapons systems!

quote:
Well Rave let's see where to begin? First of all this unlimited was 24-48 hours old when me and BC joined.

you missed Rave's point completely.... if an unlim game lasts beyond the first 24-48 hours, there is no real competition in the game...

does anyone recall Silver Dragon's Tournament of the Unlimiteds? it was over within hours of opening... he had to do a TOU II the next day, and that was over within 24 hours, too........

it sounds like to me you guys are not only bad turns-players, you are only mediocre unlim players, too....

Daemon
Memphis TW BBS
ICQ# 99772936


High Competition and High Risk - Just the place to relax

Well Said Daemon


Zandramus


Riftwars.dnsalias.com
RiftwarsBBS.mine.nu port 23

Funny how a voice of reason (Rave) can come on here and say the same things i have been saying all along and noone argues with her. Two different types of games. Two different types of players. I have already said that playing turns is tougher. No argument there. Lots more to think about. My point all along has been that when it comes to killing, some of the better killers play unlimiteds. I by no means meant to give the impression that i think any of us three would be in the same class as a hELLCAT, Xide, or grim when it comes to killing. They are light years ahead of us. Finally, Rave, the two games you saw above are both very tame when it comes to decent unlimited players. There just arent many in either game i admit. What you dont know is that the campus party game was LOKI and I and Sven against the world. They all had five person corps, but it was death match style so once they got killed their ceo booted them off corp. Also, in that game they had decided to try to gang up on us and loki still got EVERY kill in the game. Not most kills, but EVERY kill. So while it still isnt that impressive of a victory, it was a little more difficult than the clv indicates.

Daemon, again, i have never claimed to be more than a decent unlimited player. I totally agree with you about unlimiteds. They should be over in a couple of hours tops. Most of the ones we play in are. It is a little more difficult to put games on lockdown though when people have a 24 hour no attack policy in place which lets entire corps of five ssm without worrying about anything. One other point, those two unlimiteds didnt last 24 hours...grim and xide dominated the first one COMPLETELY in about 12 minutes. They had dock blocked and numerous kills in that short a time. I guarantee you that there arent FIVE turns people on this thread that could do that. I dont need you to tell me, zandramus, i already know that it didnt take any skill.

BTW, daemon, how many deaths you have at lotto? I was just scrolling through and saw turok with none and i think you had three. Guess he is just luckier than you.

Bone Collector