I guess its not Blue and Red anymore!
Its BLUE and GRAY [V]

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

i bet he tastes good to eh oso?
oz did a lot of **** in game i didn't agree with and he knew it.

quote: the object of the game was to be the only person NOT to have killed someone (TradePeace 2002, coming to a BBS near you)

and thank you for proving my point.


Ya, ya he did. remember when he exploited the photon into fed bug? that was gay.

But my personal opinion is this: As long as it isn't the author of a public script exploiting it, its alright. If it happens to be somebody the author told about the bug, and the author does nothing to fix it, this also is not cool.

Everything else is fair game In my opinion.

quote:Originally posted by Uncle Sam

I will say this about Kav's last post....

Any scripter leaving "easter eggs" in scripts is unethical and down right LAME! And its a bull*** tactic to use. If you write a script and are "worried" that someone who is NOT supposed to have it, timelock em or have the script look for a list of "approved" users.

No need to resort to the lowest common denominator to win ANYTHING in life. It reminds me of a poster I saw long ago called "Everything I needed to learn in life, I learned in kindergarten" One of the lessons that should have been learned is what is called "FAIR PLAY"

IMHO, a big problem with our world today is the lack of ethics in not only Tradewars, but in the "real world" in general.

But alas, I guess some people are just destined to be scum!!


BigOzhog (or whatever he called himself - no offense to him, cant rem what he called himself exactly) once ruined a Tournament by cheating. I hounded him over it.

He later came under fire for having placed an "easter egg" in one of HIS scripts.

I defended him.

It was HIS script. If you want to use it? caveat emptor doesnt even apply. It was FREE.

If you need a bug free script write it yourself or pay someone to write it for you. If a script that you paid for does not work, sue.

quote:Originally posted by Uncle Sam

Ok...note to self....ANOTHER person, kaus, added to the "Do not corp list"


Pretty short sighted however not the first; or last time. I doubt this will be the only script you have a issue with. While I dont have the knowledge to prevent it short of CN7 a good part of xides scripts and scripts on grimys can be "spoofed" in one fashion or another. While i dont claim to be a expert the waitfor and settextlinetrigger commands in my opinion leave themselves wide open to be "spoofed" and having looked at allot of .ts's on Grimys most have at least one in them.

Heh, Slim is starting to scare me, I was going to make a post yesterday using a comparison such as Slims earlier post about TWX, except I was going to use SWATH, but I had decided not to because I though it a bad idea to tarnish Stein by suggesting he might do something like that, thus resulting in a flame war of accusations. So I opted to not actually make the post for fear of others taking it out of context as more of an accusation rather then an imposing point. But I really do think Slim’s post made several very good points regarding this issue though.

It seems that several keep debating spoofing as not being ethical or unethical to do in a game, but being rather that spoofing is a necessary part of the game to “win or die”. I find that to be completely and utterly spun beyond all recognition and genuineness. The lines between what is considered effective game strategy and function are being blurred with what is actually blatant spoofing tactic. Spoofing, has a little to do with causing another player to become podded or SD’ed in most cases, but that is not it’s only purpose, it could be just a likely used to freeze a script, send the player into open space, timeout, etc., thus, leaving them to sit there while their base is invaded or to prevent them from gathering colo’s or swap resources each hour as new turns and colo’s are regenerated. But, to say spoofing is needed to win the game is no the less far from accurate.


Singularity: “What if I know that a script won't attack a particular ship name? Is that? What if I know that a torper will fire at everything that moves, so I surround fed to waste fuel and burn torps? What if I know that your citkilla will attack anything it sees, so I go in with something that has better defensive odds? What if I know you only torp one particular way so I change my pattern to avoid it? What if I know your torper always lands in the first door and I take advantage of that?”

i. "What if I know that a script won't attack a particular ship name? Is that?”
This sounds like either a spoof attempt such as naming the ship something that would be interrupted by the script as being apart of the actual sector display or is a special trigger (or triggers) dedicated to preventing the attack of whatever the scripter had desired, while writing the script.

ii. "What if I know that a torper will fire at everything that moves, so I surround fed to waste fuel and burn torps?"
This would be perfectly acceptable in my view, given of course to server rules on surrounding FedSpace.

iii. "What if I know that your citkilla will attack anything it sees, so I go in with something that has better defensive odds?"
This would be perfectly acceptable in my view.

iv. "What if I know you only torp one particular way so I change my pattern to avoid it?"
This would be perfectly acceptable in my view.

v. "What if I know your torper always lands in the first door and I take advantage of that?”
This would be perfectly acceptable in my view. By now I hope all of you are seeing a pattern emerge here.


It also sounds like a few people are saying that the tactic that Prom posted about earlier it absolutely acceptable to do, except on UTW, as they do not permit this; but at this time you are probably free to use this tactic on any other server, but I am willing to bet that the Administrators of any other server that tactic is used on will be very quick to prevent its use on their server, as its use brings either the game it is used in or that entire server to a total crawl, (I am not sure exactly how it effects the entire server.) This referring to the act of landing and launching from planets in a sector repeatedly, thus essentially overloading the CPU; I do not know exactly how the actual setup works.) But, hey if I am AFK and not able to play I am Darn sure not going to permit anybody else to either! Now, that type of analogy is very befitting for this imperative “win or die” bravado. So, surely it must be completely acceptable to use for a few of you.

Finally, to address those with an it has to be “win or die” over “for fun” mentality, well I would guess that none of you do very much if any of the following: visiting amusement parks with my family members, going to ballgames, or going see movies with someone special. For those concerned about name calling, hey that is apart of TW and most if not all of it is really only in fun, (notice that last word in the sentence there, now how odd is that, really?)


BTW, I’m a joker, I’m a smoker, I’m a midnight lurker!

…now wait just a minute… Hey Kav, if you would just go get your banjo and tell your puppy Smokey to go get his spoons so that he can show off some of that fancy cheek slapping of his, woohoooo!! Boy howdy, we could have ourselves a hoedown in here! [8)]

So (Kav), your bringing the civil litigation aspect into your justification for it, if you paid you have a case to civilly sue if you feel you were at any way wronged, otherwise you have no rights and no complaints whatsoever. I myself would have to disagree with that, if somebody is offering something publicly under a statement of given pretense and duty or function, then there has been a binding understanding made and oath of agreement has been accomplished. The author can then and should and can be held to uphold that agreement to the best of their abilities. Now for private scripts, making such a script CBY a player upon startup if a condition is not met, is WRONG!

Now if you are going to put the effort to place that coding in the build, please for the love of god just go that extra few lines and issue a warning to delete the script and forget about it and/or to please and kindly report to the author at such and such address that you have somehow obtained a copy of this script, if you run this script ever again it will CBY you… the latter is completely, utterly, and totally lame; without any exception.

Well, the only thing I hate worse than spamming and script exploits is whining.

I don't try to defeat other ppl's scripts. I try to defeat other ppl.

As a scripter, I know that nearly every script written is exploitable, and so I think it's lame to search for exploits and use them. Can it give you an edge? Sure. Is it an edge worth having? Not in my opinion.

The exploits I mention would be anything that uses specific text (ship/planet/port/beacon/player/corp names, or messages on fed/ss/hails) to fake out a script. If you can beat a script by other means, fine. But either way, don't whine.

+EP+

EP I agree on all accounts except the whining, hey after all I have to have something to wash down all this cheese I carry on me. …As for why I carry so much cheese, well it is just best not to ask. [:P]

All I can say is LAFF! Hahahah lmfao ... I see like 3-5 decent and on topic posts in two pages. You people make me laff..

quote:Originally posted by Jester

All I can say is LAFF! Hahahah lmfao ... I see like 3-5 decent and on topic posts in two pages. You people make me laff..



It is always good to at least get something of value.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Innovation in scripts tends to come from the 'what if' department. Jhereg did it with counter surround,shot glass did it with a bot. Xide did it with TWX, and wssm. Tweety did it with a furbie bot. Innovation and new thinking doesnt happen in a complacent setting.

We get complacent, we loose. Always have to strive for that higher level of play. Scripts help us do that. However, like all journeys there are bumps in the road.

I don't know jester, I see some of these posts that are half a page long, people are just to whinded for me, if its more then 5 lines I get bored to quickly.

Tho shalt not make a script that resembles the human mind.

But for those that do well expect to get hosed, Spoofing is just another part of the game, we all know it happens so the thing to do is spoof proof your stuff. If you cant then dont bother.

oh and Rexx stop repeating what has been said all ur doing is ensureing that more and more people begin to ignore you posts.

I am sorry, though perhaps you would care elaborate on that a little more?

I do not need to elaborate just scroll up
you will see what i mean.
If you cant perceive it well i am sure others
will tell you better then i can.