Amazing, I can laugh at 4 am

Fantastic post Promethius... I'd like to add in my two cents... Stock edits are much harder to play, win, and master than any edits I've seen so far. There have been a few great edits, fantastic games, ect ect that I've ran into, however, 6 TPW colts with 250 holds, no holo scanner, and ****ty odds.... Well, that scares me alot more than a super cargo tran with 8.0 defensive odds Lets face it, when you have 2 or 3 reds on a team, one in a CFS, one in a dreadnaught, one in a havoc gunstar, with 2 blues in ISSes backing you up while you SDT, your never going to beat that feeling... that team spirit... knowing for a fact that if you didn't have one another, you'd all be dead.

THAT is a game.

Negative, I said what makes the game complex is all the bugs in. The actual game itself it not complex. If you must believe that for whatever reason, have at it

Negative, I made not one single mention at anytime of becoming an elite, supreme, ultimate, intergalactic lord, overlord, tradewarrior, master, desciple, professional, any combination thereof, or anything other then simply being able to play the game, create a game, and understand that game at its basic level.

Besides my "whinning" as many want to refer me and my inquires as being, although unlike you name-sayers I am putting forth and effort to implement the changes I seek. As well to the lack of response regarding the many questions I have posed only serves to further prove that nobody else is actually familiar with the commands either. Of course it could just be that they do not want to assist me as I am in-fact only known to others as a "whinner".

Saying that people that read directions have nothing to offer, is just plain ignorant! Hey, I know let's just go have a book burning party. Hey we can even burn the U.S. flag, while we are at it!

Dude, go eat your wheaties... I don't even know you and your starting to sound like a whiner.

There's nothing wrong with people figuring out the game themselves. As for burning the flag and the like... did you just ship over? cuz, I really don't think that right now is the time to be anti patriotic... Even in jest, that isn't funnah! As for your questions not being answered... How were the questions posed? Chances are if you were as long winded in your questions, as you are in a potential flame, I wouldn't answer them either.

as for 'name sayers' we all know Slim's got an attitude, just give it up
(har har)

I would like for you to make a mental note... the changes you seek, won't happen... period.... I've been around here, wut, like 10 years, and when JP first took over, everyone made hundreds of thousands of requests, about .001 percent of them actually made sense. JP posted (look it up in the archives if you like) that all changes were done..... so, get over it, cry a river, toss on a diaper, and welcome to the real world, where you don't always get what you want.

graz

Graz, you should really go clean up... ummm, your makeup is running. [:X]

My goodness you don't even know what I am referring to, yet you still insist on posting your nonsense crap. Leave me you alone you jackass! Vamoose!

eh, I get it now... you should be more clear my long winded friend.

my crap makes perfect sense. I won't leave you alone, you've gained an internet stalker...


shhh, I'm hunting crow

huh, guess that gives new meaning to 'eat crow'

graz

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

In a stock game, a red ceo can hold 20k figs. A non-ceo red can hold 10k figs (a maxed havoc is capped in one ISS shot). So really, a blue only needs enough figs to capture the red ship, not more figs than them. In a truly stock game, the reds ships completely blow. This goes a long way towards making the game more even.

Stock IC holds more figs than anything, and both reds and blues can use them. It's still a suck ship except for very specific applications. [:)]

quote:Originally posted by Traitor
Stock IC holds more figs than anything, and both reds and blues can use them. It's still a suck ship except for very specific applications. [:)]

Heh, I would personally LOVE to see a red out hunting in an IC

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

Negative, I said what makes the game complex is all the bugs in. The actual game itself it not complex. If you must believe that for whatever reason, have at it

Negative, I made not one single mention at anytime of becoming an elite, supreme, ultimate, intergalactic lord, overlord, tradewarrior, master, desciple, professional, any combination thereof, or anything other then simply being able to play the game, create a game, and understand that game at its basic level.

Besides my "whinning" as many want to refer me and my inquires as being, although unlike you name-sayers I am putting forth and effort to implement the changes I seek. As well to the lack of response regarding the many questions I have posed only serves to further prove that nobody else is actually familiar with the commands either. Of course it could just be that they do not want to assist me as I am in-fact only known to others as a "whinner".

Saying that people that read directions have nothing to offer, is just plain ignorant! Hey, I know let's just go have a book burning party. Hey we can even burn the U.S. flag, while we are at it!



You stated above "simply being able to play the game, create a game, and understand that game at its basic level" -- it would be extremely nice if you had that understanding at the basic level before trying to change a game that you do not have an understanding of. If you put in as much effort to learn the game as you seem to be in trying to change it, you just might turn into a good player someday.

Several people have tried to help you but you do not seem to understand what they are saying. Yes, most of us pay more attention to what Harley, Traitor, and others say because they have done something that you have yet to do - they earned respect by paying their dues in learning the game and helping others.

The statement I made was "It is funny how those that solely follow instructions never learn anything new to contribute."
If a person only follows the path that another has taken, how does that person learn that there is another path that is better and then let others know about that path?

I really thought seriously about turning this post into a flame, however that provides nothing of value. If you are sincere in improving the game, then learn the game in its current form and then help new players. Helping others learn is the best way to improve the game - the game mechanics are already in place.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

[beige]Really, who in here plays straight up stock edits? Most likely that answer is 1%, because these edits are terribly boring and limited in game play, ergo there is my point to all this.

The only thing I am mentioning is about stock-based edits as they have become completely one sided, in favor of soley reds, as which most edits are. Come on, keep up with the conversation! Now I am talking about games in general, I had never mentioned anything particular. I was using approximations, as that should have been apparent.


I mentioned stock games, you replied to my post regarding planets in stock games as an example that trade wars is broken. I think this is hilarious, personally. This is the second time you've started pulling **** out of your Butt, been called on it, and then said "I know that's what I kept referring to, but you should have understood that isn't what I really meant." Edits are edits. Personally, in all my time of playing, I have ever only seen one game where an all red corp was the way to go. On the other hand, I have seen several games where an all blue corp is the way to go. However, I typically play games with corps, not solo, and with turns, not unlimiteds.

quote:
Those figures I gave are both from the low end to the high end, as approximations based on things I have seen, read, and heard about. Although given the edits and the right script a red could cash out on much more then 40-million and a blue could probably stand to make another million or so, (unless of course gold planet edits allow the use of a planet to popp, cash, and det to come into play.) If you want to refer to example simply as an MDT, more power to you.


A red can't make 40 million credits without a mobile planet in 1000 turns, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of your point. It would be theoretically possible for a red to make 21 million credits without a mobile planet in those turns, but would need to be really lucky.

quote:
Other then that, who really wants to spend 10-minutes searching for help on a given topic? As all the constant posting about basic topics, which could just as easily be searched for while awaiting a response proves my point precisely.

People would rather pose a new question for posting then run a search, because it is much more convenient then waiting for search results and then having to skim through several pages of information that all seems so confusing to them anyways because they more then likely are unfamiliar with the words and phrases commonly used anyways. To a new user this can all be very intimidating and somewhat daunting.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It is much better to pose a question and wait hours if not days for an answer, sometimes never receiving one. I prefer that over doing a search of the forum and finding the answer in less than 10 minutes. And of course if you did a search, those answers would be horribly confusing, using terms that you don't understand. That's all that gets posted on here. Of course, if you you pose the question and get a fresh answer, it won't be like any of the previous answers, THIS time you'll get it in entirely new terms that don't confuse you at all. You're BRILLIANT! Thank you for so clearly illuminating your point.

quote:
As well to the lack of response regarding the many questions I have posed only serves to further prove that nobody else is actually familiar with the commands either. Of course it could just be that they do not want to assist me as I am in-fact only known to others as a "whinner".


Please direct me to the posts you have made with these many questions that you have posed.

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

quote:Originally posted by Traitor
Stock IC holds more figs than anything, and both reds and blues can use them. It's still a suck ship except for very specific applications. [:)]

Heh, I would personally LOVE to see a red out hunting in an IC

Heh, me too! I just wanted the oft neglected IC to get it's due.

You stated above "simply being able to play the game, create a game, and understand that game at its basic level" -- it would be extremely nice if you had that understanding at the basic level before trying to change a game that you do not have an understanding of. If you put in as much effort to learn the game as you seem to be in trying to change it, you just might turn into a good player someday.
I do have an understanding of the game, you don't know me. Your frivolous charge of bashing me with being unknowledgeable only proves that you have nothing more better to state, thus you have decided to start resorting to a entirely unfounded and baseless attack against me as claiming I am poor player. The only thing I am saying is I that am open-minded, you can't seem deal with or comprehend that. Tisk-tisk, so just let it go then and step-away from the keyboard.

Several people have tried to help you but you do not seem to understand what they are saying.
How is making lame jokes about pencils, helping me exacly? Is that about the whole "hint" thing again? No a single person has responded to any of my questions as of yet. Although, my thread has well over 300-hits, so I figure people are at least somewhat interested in my project.

Yes, most of us pay more attention to what Harley, Traitor, and others say because they have done something that you have yet to do - they earned respect by paying their dues in learning the game and helping others.
Thank you for again showing your arrogance. Please do not ever again tell me that I am not paying attention to somebody, I will decide that one for myself, again you do not know me. Just because I have a diffent opinion then you would, (as do may others); then they do (Harley, Traitor, and others .) Just because they have already so-called paid their "dues" does not necessarily make their suggestions or opinions on given topics anymore meaningful then my own. Paid their dues, give me a break, we are talking about a game here, this is not about on-the-job seniority or a tribal quest, geez!

See, do you realize that nobody (not a single person) has bothered to talk about causes and effect of the suggestions I have imposed. They have only and consistantly put down my idea and myself as being, well a whinner. Let's just keep playing the harp to the fiddle shall we. Cause' it surely does makes a real fine racket, afterall!

The statement I made was "It is funny how those that solely follow instructions never learn anything new to contribute."
If a person only follows the path that another has taken, how does that person learn that there is another path that is better and then let others know about that path?
It is a "solely" ignorant thing to say, there is no factual basis to say something like that anyways, unless we are talking about machines. Humans are incapable of simply or "solely" following anothers "exact" path, every situation varies, everybodies analogue is different; what I do in one instance, I would do a slight variation in a similar instance, and you would do another in a similar instance, and so one this would often lend to entirely new outcome of results in each given situation.

I really thought seriously about turning this post into a flame, however that provides nothing of value. If you are sincere in improving the game, then learn the game in its current form and then help new players. Helping others learn is the best way to improve the game - the game mechanics are already in place.
Great, now you are threatening me with acts of aggression, because... I what, hold a different perspetive then you and those that have "paid their dues". See anytime, me or anybody else that holds an opposing view to somebody else that has "paid their dues", we are automatically placed in the wrong and assumed to be just an experienced whiner.

Helping others, improves the game? No that only improves the player, but not the game. The actual game mechanics are good, I have only been referring to the possibilies of adding new options and choices that would undoubtedly make the game much more fun and interesting (as well as bug removal), i.e. megga-rob.

k, Rexx saying that I am "threatening" you "with acts of aggesssion" is a bit much - I don't threaten anyone over a game or their opinions. I stated that flaming provides nothing of value - much like the posts that you make. If you cannot even understand how helping others with game knowledge improves the game, then try and understand this - podding noobs presents no challenge, podding someone with knowledge is a challenge.

and btw,

"See, do you realize that nobody (not a single person) has bothered to talk about causes and effect of the suggestions I have imposed."

you don't impose anything.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

I mentioned stock games, you replied to my post regarding planets in stock games as an example that trade wars is broken. I think this is hilarious, personally. This is the second time you've started pulling **** out of your Butt, been called on it, and then said "I know that's what I kept referring to, but you should have understood that isn't what I really meant." Edits are edits. Personally, in all my time of playing, I have ever only seen one game where an all red corp was the way to go. On the other hand, I have seen several games where an all blue corp is the way to go. However, I typically play games with corps, not solo, and with turns, not unlimiteds.
Everybody has their own interpetation of what a stock game is, (i.e. below)

Promethius - I know of at least 70 people playing in a single stock edit game right now - not sure how many are dupes - and the only thing not stock is the 20k universe. Stock edits - ships/planets are different and more challenging than a lot of edits out.

Most think of stock as being low turns, now there is no exact or set figure, you say stock most people automatically think 1,000-turns. To me what you were referring to is a classic Stock Game, based on the original game of TW from the early 90's when 250-turns and 1,000-sectors was considerated a normal game. But, at the time you made no actual clarification on that. And yes, you say stock game, how am I suppose to know what type of stock game you are referring to exactly? So I just figure you mean stock in general, using the basic default settings, ships, planets, sectors, etc. Again, you are looking at things that are really irrelevant just to prove your point that I am only "pulling things out of my Butt" or double talking or whatever you want to fixate upon. Honestly, either way 250 turns or 1,000, it still favors the red, so all you have managed to do is start a flam war against me meanwhile completely circumventing my point, which was a simple and irrefutable one.


A red can't make 40 million credits without a mobile planet in 1000 turns, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of your point. It would be theoretically possible for a red to make 21 million credits without a mobile planet in those turns, but would need to be really lucky.
Again lets use the high end of the spectrum to make me look bad. But, you admit it is possible, let me turn on my PA Mr. Garrison: DOES EVERY HEAR THAT, HARLEY EVEN SAID IT IS POSSIBLE! To be fair the range I used was 15-40 million for a red, but with the right script even that could go up much higher. Again, everybody wanna pull that high number and use it like a wildcard, cause they sadly have nothing else of value to contribute to my suggestions. They can think of nothing else better to do then diminish me. [:(]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It is much better to pose a question and wait hours if not days for an answer, sometimes never receiving one. I prefer that over doing a search of the forum and finding the answer in less than 10 minutes. And of course if you did a search, those answers would be horribly confusing, using terms that you don't understand. That's all that gets posted on here. Of course, if you you pose the question and get a fresh answer, it won't be like any of the previous answers, THIS time you'll get it in entirely new terms that don't confuse you at all. You're BRILLIANT! Thank you for so clearly illuminating your point.
I thought we have already been through this. Was that not you just a few days ago that said he was tired of being asked that same questions over and over? If everybody does as you stated above then why would you have to answer so many questions? Why are there constantly the same questions posted over and over every week like an endless cycle? I would figure if the effort was put in to write actual manuals several of them could have already been completed in their entirety as opposed to having to forever keep answering common questions. Come on, you know that most questions get answer rather quickly, within probably 30-minutes on average. Lets not be so hastly as to resort to the several days senerio, if it has been that long, it is not going to get answered.

People pose new questions because it allows them the opportunity for interaction, if they do not understand something they can get instant clarification on it, (i.e. refer to any of Akor's posts.) You can't do that with prior posts, what you see is what you get. If you don't understand it, you have to make a new post. Oh, no now we are back at square one again and so much time and fustration has been wasted on their fruitless little search.

Please direct me to the posts you have made with these many questions that you have posed.
It is in the GameOps thread under GameOp Edit Sheets. If I could get clarifcation on the editor functions that would be absolutely wonderful!

k, Rexx saying that I am "threatening" you "with acts of aggesssion" is a bit much
"I really thought seriously about turning this post into a flame,"
Flamming another is a form of aggression. That statement you made is a threat of your resolve. You are intending to tell everybody that reads your post a negative message about me. What you said before or after that message is irrelvent, as your intention and opinion has already been made clear to your readers from your statement.

I stated that flaming provides nothing of value - much like the posts that you make. If you cannot even understand how helping others with game knowledge improves the game, then try and understand this - podding noobs presents no challenge, podding someone with knowledge is a challenge.
Nothing of value? Huh, ummm, then why you posting to me?

Helping players improve their performance and improving the actual game are two different aspects that really should not be confused with one another. If that is what you are doing then that would explain some of the conflict.

and btw,

"See, do you realize that nobody (not a single person) has bothered to talk about causes and effect of the suggestions I have imposed."

you don't impose anything.
Again, then why are you even posting? [;)]

Rexx - The reason I am posting in response to you is because I really enjoy watching you make a fool out of yourself when you don't even know it. You are so good at making a fool of yourself, you should be considered an elite.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."