quote:Originally posted by Doctor Who
Outdated, Unsupported software DOES NOT make it legal to crack the software reg process.. IT'S STILL ILLEGAL so I say that you shouldnt tell ppl such things. It's nearly the same as someone accepting a GNUGPL for forum software (like that that's run on (omitted so gypsy wont remove me)) on a support forum I know and not following the GNUGPL requirements.


I don’t really know what your problem is, and I have given up trying to figure it out so whether your parents abused you as a child, you can’t get a date, or you are just naturally a jerk I don’t care. You come in here a couple days back implying that Res had his account taken away, why I have no idea, You seem to always imply that I have done this or done that or will do this or that to your posts or account, and now you are implying, in this post and another in a help area of the forum because the forums which is common knowledge use the snitz 3.1 beta 5 engine, that I am somehow breaking the law. Well if pushing me to react to you was your goal, you accomplished it.

1st I have never touched your account, Res was suspended for 3 days like a year ago and Col Sander’s IP was redirected for a couple days in 2000, other then that I have never suspended or revoked anyone’s access to this forum. The two cases recently of account suspensions were not my doing, but I supported them as they were just.

2nd Re-read the GPL that snitz works under before you go trying to sound like you know what you are talking about. All the requirements of the license are met, any code that is used in these forums has the copyright information intact in the source, which technically doesn’t matter anyway as it’s not being copied and redistributed. A simple view of the source of any forum page clearly states the copyrights, who they belong to and that the forum is runs on a snitz engine (which by the way is a modification another open source ASP forum written by a guy that that snitz doesn't give credit to and I do in the ASP source files, just incase i ever do give this modified board to someone). The only thing that I don’t do right now that snitz asks for is have the powered by snitz link at the bottom of the page, which isn’t enforceable or in the GPL but which was posted at the bottom of every displayed page until recently when an upgrade was made after the web provider made some changes and it was left off, although I will be adding it back on when I get around to it, if you are that interested you can check web.archive.com and look at a version of the forum in the past and look at the bottom of the page in red letters. No one is charged for the use of this software and I have spoken with the appropriate people and am confident that its use in everyway is legal; any further discussion on this topic will be removed.

3rd You have been claiming for a long time that I do all these things to your account, you tell anyone that will listen that I abuse my “power” even though no one is guaranteed this service. I think you can look through the forums and see a multitude of examples of people personally attacking me that still have active accounts, so maybe you feel this is just personal against you, well wonder no more. I have made every attempt to let you use and enjoy these forums, I have ignored over and over again personal attacks here and elsewhere never letting them interfere with the business at hand, well be advised that stops now. I am fed up with you, your derogatory attitude towards not only me but a good number of people. I suggest if you value the use of this service and want to continue using it then you think very hard about what you post. You can scream to the rafters and anyone who will listen if you loose access, I don’t care, you have been saying it for the longest time we may as well make it true.

To the Wabbit:


First Swath claims to run Java Scripts and Rexx scripts go to their web site, it also claims to have working scripts built into it that trade, find port pairs, records sectors you have seen, visited, or probed!

Secondly I use tried ALL the scripts that Swath allowed to be placed in their "script" library by users, most of them do not work.

Thirdly, I have every right to judge the operation and usefulness of Swath, I bought and paid for a registration of that software over a year ago, and if a paying customer cannot express disatisfaction with a product than who can?

The rest of your comments aren't even worth responding to.

I don't recommend Swath, take it for what it's worth and let's move on!

(By the way I know Stein promises all kinds of support, including fixing scripts that don't work, yet, I can tell you the support I've received from Swath is almost NILL, you can take that for what it's worth as well).

quote:Originally posted by Animal

What version of swath? Have you downloadedd the Java Sdk? Have you recompiled the java scripts? there are a couple of the java scripts that don't work right , don't remember which ones cause i usually use twx scripts. Most rev helper scripts don't work in swath yet, Stein is working on that. Swath 1.7 should fix the rexx script problem it does interface very nicely with Twx. Never had a problem getting busted twice at the same port not sure what you are doing wrong there. Are you using the right steal settings? As far as the blue screen haven't seen it since i switched to XP
Be patient 1.7 should fix most of the issues


I downloaded the brand new version of Swath just last month (and that was the third time I did so), If I didn't have the Java SDK pack NO scripts would even load much less run, I said SOME of the scripts don't run not all.

There was nothing wrong with my install, I've installed, uninstalled, re installed at least 30 times, each time reading the install logs at the end and seeing "successfully installed" for each and every file!

I'm not the only one having these problems with Swath, many others have had them and are having them. Sometimes Swath works just GREAT!

Here's an interesting twist.

I talked to Macahan on ICQ and asked him why my ether probe and World Explore features weren't available, he told me it was because I didn't to a ZTM. So I did a ZTM and they still weren't available, now I'm being told by many in the know that those two features aren't available yet in the current version, and yet Macahan didn't know this?

Hmmmmm.

quote:Originally posted by Draconis



9.) It never ceases to amaze me how people can get free scripts, than complain about them. Hell, I give my corpies scripts, and they find bugs, and sometimes die. They send me a message, explain, and I fix the bug or bad option. Heck, I know that it isn't fun to die, but they suck it up. I don't have time to test everything, and they get the script. You seem to complain about everything, yet I don't see you coming asking for help, instead just complaining.

Excuse me but I don't have a SINGLE free script! I paid for my Swath with cash money, want to see the Pay Pal receipt? Most of the problems are with SWATH itself. I have downloaded the latest version of that software 3 times! I've got the latest Java! I have THOROUGHLY read the Swath.net scripts instructions and followed them to the letter!

Bottom line, I understand that there can be bugs in a software, the reason I say I cannot recommend Swath is because simply put they have done LITTLE TO NOTHING to help me fix these problems (aside from telling me the same tired things and trying to blame it on me for not installing or not assigning Java correctly in the init file or whatever).

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So my advise as a whole to SGO:
1.) Uninstall Current Software
Been there done that miriad of times.
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2.) Download newest Software
been there done that
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3.) Install newest software
been there done that\quote:
4.) Carefully read forums on SWATH and TWX
Haven't done that shouldn't have to, I bought software, I read the instructions for that software, I shouldn't have to play milk maid with it to get it to run right if I have to do that, then we're back to my original statement "I can't recommend Swath."
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5.) Try, just TRY to figure out what happened, so you can than capture, and intelligently post in the appropriate forums about what problems you have, and perhaps, if you aren't a rude Butt, people will be happy to help you. Hell, I usually respond via ICQ to people who have problems if they ask. I want people to get better at the game!

I've been nothing but polite to Swath all this time, kindly asking for help! I've made captures of game log files and sent them, and in fact occasionally my SWATH sends an error report all on it's own!

Got nothing from Swath!

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To other's who haven't tried Swath themselves:
1.) Ignore SGO's rant

Ya, and if you read about a car that's being recalled for major problems with the engine, ignore that too, go buy the car anyway, maybe the manufacture will create a forum where, after reading it for weeks you might figure out what the problem is and fix the car yourself. Or, better yet, go buy a Ford Pinto that hasn't been recalled and retrofitted and drive around a busy Miami or New York highway, you only live once!

quote:Originally posted by Doctor Who


Easier to just say you dont know how to use it yet (we dont need to know why or how long it takes).



Well you know, the Swath programs buttons don't work right, I'm doing everything according to the instructions, and they work for 30 minutes then suddenly my auto warp isn't working, or vito trade world starts but then said "script finished," or it gives me a red error message, yet like I said 30 minutes ago it was doing just fine!

Strange how it works one minute and not the next, then Swath fires up an "error report" and sends it off to the Swath site, but, yet, it's all ME and my lack of knowledge how to use it!

BULL!



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You shouldnt be trying to rob the same port you just rob'd at (You have played this game how long again?).

Well, what a genius remark! If I gotta write down where I've robbed before so that when I come back later I don't get busted, then guess what, Swath isn't helping me, I was doing that before I bought SWATH! Again, you're proving my point! I go away from the game for 3 hours, come back, go to a port and look up at my tool bar and the ROB feature buttons are lit, that should be telling me I have the green light to steal there! Usually, a subdued steal button tells me that I should NOT steal there, I either got busted there already or it was my last rob!

That's why you BUY the darned software! If you can't rely on it to work that way, then guess what, I'm back to my original statement, I can't recommend Swath!


You say I haven't done "research?" How much research should I have to do as a paying customer for God's sake? I've read the entire Swath web site relating to how to use the software, and I've read the entire help file and all the instructions! If I gotta go do a google search to learn more, then clearly the Swath people have let me down by not providing me with the information I need to use their software!
In that case, I can't recommend Swath.

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If it doesnt start straight away, then you should be able to start it up on the next click.. I would think that "swath developers" will fix this sooner rather than later, but it's a bit of a null issue cause really, it doesnt keep happening for anyone from what I hear. I would wonder if you have OTHER pc troubles causing this (and other) issues.


Ya and on the next click I get "blue screen" and have to reboot, but I shouldn't complain right what do you want for free software, OH WAIT it wasn't free, I paid for it. Now I'm pissed!

I'm just funny that way, when I buy a car I want it to start the first time I turn the key, when I buy a stereo I don't want to have to go on the internet and find a forum that helps me when it doesn't turn on, and when I buy a software I want it to WORK as described in the DOCS and on the site. I don't want to have to "read the forums",
but you know, the worst part is not that Swath has these problems, that's not why I don't recommend it, the real problem is I still have yet to have Swath support help me FIX the problems, and not just assume that the problem is with the customer! (Especially when Swath software is SENDING ERROR REPORTS to the Swath Site ON A DAILY BASIS!)

Just curious SOG why you are trying to put Gypsy at fault for you having problems with SWATH? He has nothing to do with that helper!

quote:Originally posted by Father Cajone

Just curious SOG why you are trying to put Gypsy at fault for you having problems with SWATH? He has nothing to do with that helper!



Hehe, Um, I never mentioned Gypsy, and never blamed him at all! Don't know how or why he got dragged into this.

I simply placed a forum statement on a popular site where Twars users gather, to state my disatisfaction with a TWAR related product and let people who might be considering Swath know that at least ONE user can't recommend it.

That's all I did, and all the insults come out of the woodwork.

You know, it appears that alot of these users here think that "smack talk" means that you HAVE to insult the person in the post! That's very comical to me. It doesn't matter what you say or post in the smack talk forums, someone is going to key in their mouse and post an "insult" of some sort.

It makes me realize one thing though, anyone visiting this site and not knowing much about the game, is going to go away with the impression that Twars attracts a bunch of mean spirited idiots who get their jollies off tearing others down for no apparent reason other than it's entertaining to them.

What scares me is, that impression just might be an accurate one, because I'm getting that impression myself.

I never said Swath "sucks" I never said anything insulting to any of these people who are insulting me, I simply said "I can't recommend Swath and here's why."

If they weren't so tragic (those people who just seem to be unable to communicate effectively without attempting to belittle in their posts) it would be a lot funnier, but it's only comical for a second, then it's just plain sad.

quote:The smack talk forum has been renamed "Trade Wars Open Discussions" and just so everyone is aware the rules are the same as every other forum, for example don’t circumvent the word filter by any means, don’t personally attack people, and try and remain civil. If you must take part in these low brow types of discussions there are other avenues on the internet, both Trade Wars related and other, where you can participate. For the vast majority of you who have been using this forum this change will have 0 effect on your posts as the great percentage of our member’s posts are regardful even in heated discussions. Unfortunately the recent trends of abusive, contemptuous and just outright rude posts have dictated this change.

I'm hoping that the above quote taken from the new "changes to this forum" post by Rick are not applied to only a select few, because honestly there are a few here who do NOTHING but make personal attacks against me, even when I'm DEFENDING EIS and John Pritchett.

We'll see how it all pans out, but I have a feeling (and this is just my hunch) that I will continue to get insulted by these people, and when I respond back, I'll be the one getting the warnings!

It's just a hunch.

OK I think I'm on target when I say that either 1)something is wrong with your SWATH (maybe a complete uninstall and reinstal will help) or 2)You are just missing something...possibly some small detail or 3)something is wrong with your computer. SWATH works very well in general for most people. I don't advocate using it for scripts. There's no reason to with all the free scripts for TWX and ZOC. I use it mostly as Wildstar said...it has a nice info display plus I like it's visual maps and stuff. It's pretty.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

quote:The smack talk forum has been renamed "Trade Wars Open Discussions" and just so everyone is aware the rules are the same as every other forum, for example don’t circumvent the word filter by any means, don’t personally attack people, and try and remain civil. If you must take part in these low brow types of discussions there are other avenues on the internet, both Trade Wars related and other, where you can participate. For the vast majority of you who have been using this forum this change will have 0 effect on your posts as the great percentage of our member’s posts are regardful even in heated discussions. Unfortunately the recent trends of abusive, contemptuous and just outright rude posts have dictated this change.

I'm hoping that the above quote taken from the new "changes to this forum" post by Rick are not applied to only a select few, because honestly there are a few here who do NOTHING but make personal attacks against me, even when I'm DEFENDING EIS and John Pritchett.

We'll see how it all pans out, but I have a feeling (and this is just my hunch) that I will continue to get insulted by these people, and when I respond back, I'll be the one getting the warnings!

It's just a hunch.


It covers all members of the forums, this topic has been locked SGO but feel free to start another on this subject, I don't think the topic was out of line at all.