Correct 100% I deleted it, Something Happened, Something Changed, Something Got Partially Fixed.

The only problem with a hard limit on planets per corp is what happens once a corp hits the max? Does that mean they can no longer invade planets? (I realize this doesn't really appy to the builder game but as a general rule it's only a bandaid to the problem.)

This has been discussed in the beta thread. The basic
concept revolves around creating a "reserved" amount
based on the number of players and corps in the game,
raising the max number of planets/ships in the game,
and then ensuring that people cannot buy up other
corp's reserved space.

Ex: If you have 30,000 planets and 3 corps, each corp
could get, say, 500 planets reserved and the remaining
28500 would be free to use.

An upcoming beta release should have this feature. It
will apply to both ships and planets.

Ed: While I don't consider either to be bugs, JP considers
it a problem and is intent on solving it.

The problem with "alien cashing" is that the sysOp made it profitable to cap and sell alien ships. Depending on the edit, which I don't know, it beats a red casher in terms of turns/cash made. A mid-turn sub zero is guaranteed to be slanted to alien cashing. The value of alien ships in a builder should be either offensive/defense or TPW, not in credits.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

This happens for 4 reasons.
1. Ships are cheap to cap, usually via gbonus
2. Alien ships are loaded with corbo
3. Alien ships are loaded with shields
4. Alien ships sell high at dock

So...
1. Make the ships w/ gbonus unable to carry gtorps
2. Lower the level of corbo alien ships can hold
3. Lower the level of shields alien ships can hold
4. Lower the amount of credits alien ships sell for

That eliminates the value of alien cashing.

Or..

just accept it as another way to make credits in the Vastness of TW Space.

Theres more than a few ways to make money in the real world.. and some believe many of these ways are against the rules (bank robbery).

So.. in the larger universe of TW.. there should be more ways to make credits than selling/stealing product or making your slaves make it for your on your planets.

Well, it should be up to the sysop. If the sysop wants to
allow alien capping as a cashing method, then that's up
to them. Subzero, for instance, is commonly done this
way.

But if a sysop does NOT want alien cashing in their game,
then they have the power to eliminate it.

I don’t think it’s so much the buyout being the bug as much as the adverse effects it creates on 2 points I can think of in this particular builder game…there might be more but here is the buggy part.

1) people can’t log in, due to the game programming saying there are not any ships available for you.
2)Aliens are in the game and will spawn weather or not all the ship #’s are used. But when you cap the alien ship, due to no ship #’s available, they cby.

I believe that is the buggy part he is referring to, which again is caused by doing a ship buyout. Regardless of alien cashing. If a player wants a Heavy curser for example… not a ship you cap to cash with but more for it’s offensive odds, the ship buy out is preventing that.

I believe the full rules that are on the website regarding builder games I did post…but I believe it is a rule, some people I guess just interpret it differently then others.


Before getting into some of the specific guidelines of the building games let me say up front, the point of each of these rules is to allow players, new to the game or not, the ability to join a game at any time and get started. If you are the type of person who intends to read these rules and find every crack in them that can be exploited then Don't bother, I will ask you to go to the unregulated games, after all we both know that's were you belong in the first place.

Allow players a chance to join the game. Many players would like me to be more specific on this point but I really Don't want to turn into a baby sitter. If a player joins the game and starts killing anything he can find of yours to kill, explain to him that your going to have to kill him if he keeps it up, then if he does, kill him. If he is willing to be respectful let him play. Simple so far. If you come across someone who's is just getting their sector started and you have been playing for weeks and can easily take it, give him a break. Go find someone that's more of a challenge. Try to help new players who Don't really know the game. You would be surprised how rewarding this can be





I believe it is and was against the rules and the intent of this game is not to be a locked down, kill em all game… or players and corp.‘s would not get any truce regardless of how the math is stated.

Before getting into some of the specific guidelines of the building games let me say up front, the point of each of these rules is to allow players, new to the game or not, the ability to join a game at any time and get started. If you are the type of person who intends to read these rules and find every crack in them that can be exploited then Don't bother, I will ask you to go to the unregulated games, after all we both know that's were you belong in the first place.

We read the rules differently, V'Ger caved and gave you your way. Squeaky Wheel gets the grease. EOS let's move on.

He didn't give me "my way"... do the math on it or Shall I.

IWD's have 100K figs and 5k Shields. 1.8 offensive and Defensive odds. Sell for 19M

To cap one you have to use that same ship. Fig prices atm are what 204 per.

So it cost 20M ish to cap one + 200K-1M in probs to find them + the cost of turns to get to them.

My response are to GD not really to you…funny thing is you tell me your doing a buyout to lock out cruncher in a building game and Never said anything about having an issue with me alien cashing till V’ger got involved. Even before V I told you it was against the rules but you insisted it wasn’t… If you had a problem with it, there where and are other ways to address it.

If GD would like the info and feed back, which is why I think he is posting and I am responding… then.. um.. here we are.

Hey if I told you it was for Alien cashing you might have popped one of at dock moving our 1603 merf... lol were not stupid!
Like I said earlier you thought it was amusing until you realised what we had done. I still find it amusing though. 1 Hour buyout and everyone gets their panties in a bunch claiming we ruined a 100+ day game. Let me repeat 1 HOUR and we cleared it ourselves I could have told V'Ger to do it his self.

Why would I pop an ally and this has nothing to do with the thread.

Again nothing to do with this thread.

I already stated it’s a “low level no skill cheep tactic” Not to use in this game. Good job thanxs for fixing the mistake. I’m sure ALL of the players appreciate it.

I would agree with KB, it was costly to cap them, not only in direct costs but the pirate swarms that sometimes happened while you were trying to cap a Federal ship. Then of course you had to attack pirates to get your exp up to fly one of the Federal Ships, so I didn’t consider these ships as Alien cashing.

In a builders game it was fun practice for some ship to ship action with an aggressive alien that didn’t happen to also have access to an attack macro. (T0yman)



Now this I would mostly likely believe, and this was one of the conclusions we came to when I was #SD#. My corpie was a little concerned, but I knew we had junk ships handy to coordinate him blowing a ship so I could enter the game wasn’t going to be a problem either.

The truth be told, I only recall ever seeing one ship buy-out back then, and that was on a very long running local bbs game. Not in any of the competitive games you and I might have run into each other on.

AND when I learned there was a ship buy-out in progress on Ice-I, I sent JP an e-mail to ask what the current ship limit was. 2k @ 32k each less than 64M, very easy to do today. The last builders game here, Goldtooth and I would run around with 100M as daily "pocket change" toward the end of that one.

GD,

There are several points that you have made in this thread.

I was planning on responding, after I took the time to carefully consider what you said. I am at a stage in my life right now that unless the matter is urgent, I cannot respond to TW emails immediately, and aplogize if you feel slighted by that.

The reason I took the game down was not kow towing to any specific player, but rather because the game in the state it was in was unplayable.



I took the game down and was going to rebang because at the time in its current state it was not playable. Once T0yman emailed me that your corp would destroy the ships, I reopened the game.




You may not agree with my judgment, but it is mine to make. Could I have made it explicit (and I will for the next bang), yes, but I thought it was covered in the other sections that T0yman brought up.

Frankly, coming home the other day to deal with this made me seriously consider the continued viability of me sysoping ICE9 TWGS. People continue to look for exploits, and ways to bend the rules, and it gives me nothing but stress, when running the server was something I once only enjoyed.