That'd be true if this was run by my peers, but it's not, this isn't amatuer, it's being run "by EIS" which is a company, making it a "professional" award, and I can refuse to be associated with that all I want. I'm not on the payroll.

It would not be the first time that someone withdrew their name from nomination. I clearly remember Rave doing it also

Sorry I didn't realize you didn't consider any of us who post here your peers. That does change things a might.

Cerne

Oh, Cerne... he means he does not feel as though the EIS team are his peers(and that is who is running these awards, in totality), and therefore his point is proven.

He's right, these awards were rushed to print, only to avoid last years mistakes. Look only to the events of the past few weeks to prove this.

I agree, a change is in order. But lets not fight about it in the now, lets discuss it for the future.

I am not sure if this was directed to me or not, but since it followed my post w/o a quote I assume it is. I am not sure what part of my post indicates censoring or an attempt at such.

If people cannot provide opinions, then what is the point in having an open discussion? I stated what my opinions are and indicated them as such. If you have an issue with that, please take it to smack talk and I will be happy to respond in kind.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Picking on the Big Dogs isn't going to get you far in this game son.
Speak your mind by all means, but I'd start with smaller game instead of shooting at grizzly bears.  lol

           
OMG, Big D called me a grizzly bear! Surely he did. I mean I'm one of those people Cern was talking about. The night before he posted I talked to vulcan, Desert Fox and Stockton trying to get my name removed from nomination.

maggie <giving in to stocky and leaving my name there>

P.S. I respect you, Sil. Honest I do.   

you didn't talk to your own son? pff

And cern, you aren't running it, "EIS" is

No disrespect intended. I just don't understand your beef.

Is it the categories? I know its not the users. They are probably making the same nominations they did last year and are in all probability going to make next year when you host the Awards.

I would think it is better to be hosted here. Mostly because I am sure Vulcan won't allow any of the crap that happened in previous years.  The awards hosted here means less chance of bias. But thats my take on it. I just want to understand why one of the most influential people in these forums would take a stand like this.

Cerne

edited for poor grammar lol by me

Well, hmm
#1, the desecration of the hall of fame
#2, the "worst" catagories
#3, the censorship of nominations
etc, etc..

And just because it won't be run by/hosted by EIS, doesn't mean Vulcan won't be involved.
Vulcan is a very respected person around these parts, and a friend of mine, and much more than just a trained EIS monkey Obviously the specifics for the next years awards are not set it stone yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if you see some EIS people involved with it.
As a matter of fact, I encourage all EIS members to pitch in, as well as everyone else in the community.
My intention is not to do this to remove the drama of having awards, as that is just impossible.
However, I do intend to make it completely transparent and allow for minimum drama, and streamline the drama process, so when someone complains, someone merely needs to say "hey, look at this, right here ____. see? your complaint is moot"
and the complainer will go "oh, good point, can't argue with _____."
All I have to do is get my hands on some _____.
....

Thank you. All I can say is working to change these issues instead of bowing out might have been better for TW players. I, for one, am disappointed at this partisanship. You could have thrown your influence into helping to make this years awards work.

Nothing is ever perfect or just the way we want it to be. After all we can't please everyone. Good luck next year.

Cerne


D, I'd say you were absolutely right if we were in a conversation about the game. I think you are wrong in this case. I believe that specific attitude could be a large part of the problem in these forums, the part that isn't about the game.

I don't think I should tell the King how great he looks in that wardrobe if he ain't got no clothes.  I don't even begin to say I know whats best, cause I don't, but if we are going to reason together we have to be able to post our opinion or whats the point of these forums?

I can't help make these work, because team EIS has refused any and all help and defys logic on a whim.
Also, if my name is associated with the joke that is this years awards, how would it look if I ran them next year? No, my name not being involved in this will boost the credability of the awards next year.

1) Let me make myself perfectly clear. I didn't ask to be removed because I did not support the awards. Just look, you will see nominations by me. I asked to be removed simply because I do support what the awards should be and there are many players who deserve the awards more than me.

I decided to leave my name there after talking to the people who nominated me. They do have a right to their opinion and I'm honored to be nominated by them.

2) Back in July 06, I asked that EIS take over the awards and make them official. I did that because of a phone conversation with someone who told me that they had discussed hijacking the awards and hosting them. These people had shown nothing but contempt for the community at eis.

The other reason was that in spite of good intentions, it just wasn't working to have people step in and run the awards without having the opportunity to learn from past mistakes or from tried and true ways that worked.

3) As far as I'm concerned Slim should not hijack the awards either. Now that they are at EIS, EIS should decide who will be in charge of them. <uh, oh, family feud coming> I do think that if Slim is asked by EIS, he would be a good choice. <that better, son?>
<and what on earth did you do to make cern think that you are an influential member of this community?>


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Did you uh, forget where you are?

What right does "EIS" have to the awards?

It was run from
1996-1998 by Gypsy.
1999 by Wookie
2000 by Fuseblown and Phoe6e
2001 by Gypsy
2002-2004 by Ck/K3
2005 by Vulcan
2006 by EIS
2007 by Slim

I'd say if anyone has the right to dictate who can, and can not run them, it would be Gypsy and *not* "EIS".

I leave you with a few quotes from Gypsy himself: