quote:Originally posted by Bethel Hues
As I have read in past posts that scripts are, and will continue to be a part of the game and us script haters will have to stop playing if we don't like it, well SCREW YOU I am not stopping playing because your ball is newer then mine.


Um, SCREW YOU, reread my post. I didn't tell people who share your beliefs to quit, I told you to play on servers that discourage scripting and to quit harassing the rest of us about how evil we are. What are you guys, all Jehovah's Witnesses or something? sheesh.

I also asked that you show the same respect that we show you, but I guess that was too much to ask, huh? In honor of your disrespect, I'm coining a new and definately derogatory term for all you script haters out there: "hand-monkeys". Hand-monkeys are whiny, obnoxious TW players who frequently moan that scripts ruin the game. They supposedly play strictly by hand, disdaining the use of all scripts. They're also extremely preachy and degrading towards those who commit the unimaginable sin of *gasp* using a script.

quote:I do not give a Shoot if you are tired about hearing from people that hate scripts? DON'T READ THIER POSTS!!

Oh, and if you don't like what I have to say, then quit reading MY posts. It takes brass balls to post in my thread about what a jerk I am and then to tell me not to read posts I disagree with. Sheesh, fricking hand-monkeys, heh

Oh, and I was right btw. Your post did give me lots of laffs [:P]

On a side note, I really didn't intend for this post to become a flame war, but I found Bethel's post to be equally funny and insulting.

Bethel, I hope you see the inherent irony in your response. Isn't real nice to have someone tell you that your way of playing and enjoying TW sucks and is evil, is it? I'm not asking you to change your views or to quit TW. I'm trying to get you all to shut up and quit being so insulting to the rest of us.

you know script haters just need to learn to type faster, that all scripts are thier giant macro that type fast and record info. if you really hate them so much, learn to type info as fast and record info faster. that's the answer to that.....

News flash!

I just finished it!

The uber load it once will win the game while you are afk script I have been working on for months now. All it needs is and Holo scanner and 1-mil credits to start and it will do everything for you until all opponents are eliminated will also do your laundry, taxes, mow the lawn, and walk the dog.

So I guess you script haters (Hand-Monkeys) really have something to complain about now.

Ouch, that hurt Vader. Heh guess i might of had that comeing.

I started playing about 18 months ago. I remember my first game was on Alien Base, when a Zulu game got banged. At the time, RR had a 3 day truce I believe, and stocked Terra with a zillion collies (ok maybe not that much). I figured out how to move around, and did some quick reading and reliezed it's good to start a planet...so I started one, and BY HAND started colling. Now I had NO IDEA how to talk to people in the game, didn't know about fed comm yet, but I could not for the LIFE of me figure out how people were warping in and out so fast from terra grabbing colies. BY HAND, I grabbed 300,000 collies in a few hours and said this game stinks. Little did I know that a simple script could have let me grab all of those collies in a 10th of the time and allowed me time to start making money. Of course, 2 minutes after the truce ended, Loki killed me. Point of this long story....WHO WANTS TO REALLY COLLIE BY HAND? And along with that, the other basic stuff that you do in this game?

You don't even need to know how to write scripts to play at a top level in this game. The PUBLIC scripts avalable is more then enough to play with. I will always stand by my saying that the SUPER scripters do have an ADVANTAGE over me with the public stuff, but not to a point I can't beat them. Everything that a script does I can do my understanding the game. I think scripts in the game makes it more fun. It makes it more stragagy, where to build, where to grid, how NOT to get photoned (unless you're me and gridding with a photon on you <sigh>)

On a side note, It's also good to become friends with scripters =) If I can't be a script kiddie, I can be a scripters friend and get the stuff that way <g> Maybe that's why our corp now has three script writers...woohoo

LetsDrinkCoke-

You are the exact type of person that is the most effected by "high level" scripters. You're fine with using scripts for repetitious tasks, and quite possibly for having a database to understand the universe in a more human way but you are disadvantaged by autokill scripts, ptorp scripts, p-warp scripts, etc. There are ways to address this "high level" scripts in the tw server that would not mess with a "normal" scripting.

Psion does not seem able to distinguish between disadvantaged people like you and people who are against any sort of scripting. The truth is, there are only negligible amounts of people who wish to play TW completely by hand and force this upon others. But, its easier to label those who are against "high level" scripting in with those who are for "hand playing only." Intellectually dishonest to be certain, but I think the ulterior motive for this thread is because people like you, LetsDrinkCoke, put your time and efforts into the game, but will never quite compete at the level of a Psion-type scripter in the end game. You are the sweetest of opponents for a high level scripter to play since you admirably play hard, even with the deck stacked against you.

shrug. The game is nothing like it was when I started playing in 89. It's nothing like it was in 92? when I left the first time. It's nothing like it was when I started playing again in 97. I've been playing more or less continuously since. The game evolves. If you are playing to try to recapture some part of your lost childhood, then wake up and smell the coffee. Those days are gone. All I see when I look back on those days is endless hours doing repetitive tasks, and waiting for hours for the bbs phone lines to clear. I remember paying $10 a month for the privilage to play. I remember players 10x more rude and cutthroat because when you won a tournie back then, you won free time on the bbs, which is to say: MONEY. Yeah, there are things I don't like about modern TW, but I don't want to go back either. I evolved with the game (sometimes kicking and screaming, but I'm still here...)

There are more people who prefer to play the old school way. The problem is that most of them don't communicate with each other very well. It's almost like they are...stuck in the past. I see them pop their heads up all the time, then disappear. I don't understand why if they love the way the game was played back then so much, why they don't organize, make websites like mine, and advertize here. I don't know why they don't buy twgs, and host their own games. I can configure a server to stop a scripter dead, and still have it be playable by hand. Why don't they do this? I swear, there must be some kind of conspiracy, cause I have yet to see them do ANY of those things. Maybe they are just hiding from us, and we don't even know it. heh.

My name is Traitor, and I write and use scripts.

Why? Complaining is just easier. And a heck of a lot easier than actually getting better at the game.....

To be honest, I think that scripting is more challenging than the game itself. It doesn't take an einstein to figure out how to play the game by hand.

Traitor nailed it when he said scripting is an evolution of the game. Players can either learn scripting, get plowed, or find more non-script warriors to trade with. I remember getting back into the game after a long break and was just amazed at how quickly I went from being a good player to getting trampled - all because I didn't have a helper program/scripts.

KB

Here is the part that these complainer never see:

[19:54] Traitor: heh. I may have just screwed myself. rofl. oh, jesus christ. I did. I screwed myself.
[19:55] Stockton: ?
[19:55] Traitor: this script is gonna take 6 hours to run

This might take a while
..

[19:55] Traitor: see those 2 dots?
[19:56] Traitor: it makes 1 dot for each dead end it checks
[19:56] Traitor: there are 2800 dead ends to check
[19:56] Stockton: lol
[19:56] Traitor: guess what?
[19:56] Traitor: it just now made dot #3
[19:56] Stockton: :-O
[19:57] Traitor: woot, up to 5
[19:57] Traitor: so, it's working. heh
[19:58] Traitor: just not very practical
[19:58] Stockton: nod
[19:58] Traitor: OTOH, you can run this off-line
[19:58] Traitor: and you only gotta run it once per game
[19:58] Traitor: 7 dots now
[19:58] Stockton: lol
[19:59] Traitor: 8!
[19:59] Traitor: i'm doing 2800 get distances <yeah right>, trying to <like i'm gonna tell you guys>
[20:00] Traitor: sigh...more like 2900
[20:00] Traitor: rofl
[20:00] Traitor: 9!
[20:00] Traitor: sad part is, i haven't gotten the write to file part done yet
[20:00] Traitor: so I'll have to do it again once it's done, and I'm sure it's working right.
[20:00] Traitor: heh
[20:02] Traitor: my bad. rand the numbers, 46 hours to run
[20:02] Traitor: +/- 2 hour
[20:03] Traitor: can we say...ctrl+alt+del end process?
[20:03] Stockton: lol
[20:03] Traitor: hmm. how the hell am I gonna do this?
[20:04] Traitor: modify my nearfig I guess. getdistance is too slow
[20:04] Traitor: bah.
[20:04] Traitor: this is why most people don't script
[20:05] Traitor: 2936 dead ends...
2936 nearfigs (only nearest <heh>)
[20:05] Traitor: prolly only take 1/2 hour

Scripting is more work than actually playing the game. And if you ever distribute your scripts, then you gotta factor in all the time you have to spend making it as idiot proof as possible, and deal with the whining everytime someone gets #SD# cause they could't follow simple directions. The only thing that makes it worthwhile is when it just happens to work, and you actually get something positive for all your hard work.

I have to say, the first server I ever played on, Lord.Doa.Org the only reason I was playing TWars is becuase Lord was closed. The game was me vs a guy named Frog, frog had been in the game for QUITE some time without any competition, but he had yet to accumiliate anything but rank, he was Fleet Admirial at the time. Not sure, guess he was sysop hater. Anyway at first I didnt know how to use scripts, didnt know what they were, and so I walked away from the game for Lord, a much easier game to play without scripts. Eventually I found my way back to Trade Wars, and found J-Twat. I thought it was the most awesome thing ever...and the rest is history...

quote:Originally posted by Stretch

LetsDrinkCoke-

You are the exact type of person that is the most effected by "high level" scripters. You're fine with using scripts for repetitious tasks, and quite possibly for having a database to understand the universe in a more human way but you are disadvantaged by autokill scripts, ptorp scripts, p-warp scripts, etc. There are ways to address this "high level" scripts in the tw server that would not mess with a "normal" scripting.

Psion does not seem able to distinguish between disadvantaged people like you and people who are against any sort of scripting. The truth is, there are only negligible amounts of people who wish to play TW completely by hand and force this upon others. But, its easier to label those who are against "high level" scripting in with those who are for "hand playing only." Intellectually dishonest to be certain, but I think the ulterior motive for this thread is because people like you, LetsDrinkCoke, put your time and efforts into the game, but will never quite compete at the level of a Psion-type scripter in the end game. You are the sweetest of opponents for a high level scripter to play since you admirably play hard, even with the deck stacked against you.


LMFAO. Coke, is on my perma and I'm hardly the end-all, be-all of players/scripters. Why is it OK to use a script to automate repetitive tasks, but not OK to use one for photoning people? If I'm intellectually dishonest, then you're intellectually misinformed. How long have you been playing? How truly familiar are you with competive tactics? How familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of scripting are you? I'm guessing (in order): not too long (in this incarnation), not very, and not very.

You have your opinions, and you're entitled to them. But I'm with Vader here. Your arguments reeeeeeeeek of someone who came back to the game, got killed right off and was pissed off about it. So you've suddenly decided that you know what is right for the game, and set off on your own little crusade. Unless you can convince me that you have actual solid knowledge of the way TW is currently played, you'll automatically be relegated to the category of "knee-jerk whiner", no matter how smarmy your posts get.

BTW - You might want to read signature lines in the future. That would have told you that Coke and I are on the same perma and saved you some embarassment.

Stretch

First off, I am Psion's Daddy when it comes to Tradewars <grin> As he said, we are corpies and play more with each other then against it, so i'm always gonna back him on subjets like this. But the truth is, you missed my point. YOU CAN BEAT ALL SCRIPTS. There is not one photon script out there that can't be beat if you are know what you are doing....(i'm not, I get hit like anyone else) The Public stuff out there is pretty good too, but either way you can compete with anyone in this game. It's just like everything else, you have to practice and learn the game.

Shazam and I just got back into Tradewars about a year ago. Didn't really feel like messing with anything but Swath so we made our own swath scripts. Got pdrop, Merf script, a gridder and a Transport attack script. They work very well now. I don't dare go to bed with one running though. I will admit, it has helped us win more games and make more kills.

Once you learn how to make your own, or utilize them, your whole gaming experiance changes for the better.

There are MANY Players out there that still do not use combat scripts. Combat scripts CAN be a disadvantage for those players. I had one game setup where EVERYONE got killed by 1 guy using a pdrop script. That game was over in a week. While i have no problem with people using combat scripts in my games, i don't understand why it has to be used to kill people who had just entered the game 5 minutes ago. (its a sysop thing)

To me its dishonorable to kill a Civilian in a Merchant freighter, who is just trying to get to the Stardock. But, I understand that that is MY opinion and my opinion only.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but my point is, is that if you want to start winning games you HAVE to start using scripts. It is Inevitable.

And as far as people *****ing about getting killed by a script, those are just newbies. I'v gotten to the point now that when i get killed i'm like, "ok, now I can stop playing and go work on my car" or something like that. Sometimes its almost a relief.