Canadian 2 cents... does that mean it's worthless?

no, canadian 2 cents is worth about the approximate value of the gum on the bottom of my shoe.

heh

1.634 US cents actually, so it's more than the 1 cent i believe i've seen you offer Slim . Strangly enough though after looking up the origin (yeah i was bored), I found that the saying should really be to give a quarter which is two bits which the saying came from, go figure. If you don't want to know just read skip over the next part... sigh another tradewars discusion gone off topic (I am surprised however that Harley beat Slim to the insult, slim your slacking off again.)

Origin: "Put my two cents in" originates from the older "put my two bits in" and has its origin in the game of poker. When playing poker you have to make a small bet before the cards are dealt called an "ante" to begin play in that hand.
This phrase draws an analogy to the poker ante (two bits) and gains your entry into the conversation.

Thanks to Evelyn and Dawn Rambin and Ron Akers

Two bits means one quarter (currently the American twenty five cent piece). This comes from the older term "piece of eight".

Today we have coins minted in different denominations - nickel, dime, and quarter in the U.S. - but this was not always so. Gold and silver coins once served as currency, with the value of the coin equal to the value of the gold or silver contained in the coin. To obtain currency valued at less than a full gold coin, coins would be scored and split into pieces. This is how one would make change so to speak.

Coins could be split into halfs, quarters, and eighths. One eighth of a coin was called a "piece of eight" and also called a "bit". Two pieces of eight is equal to one quarter. Hence "two bits" is a quarter.

Thanks to William M. Gatesman and Michael Welzien

Hence "Smashed to bits" literally means to break something into eighths.

I have a couple of players on my server who like to play without scripts and are wanting me to put up a no scripts game, well I am thinking hard on this, but the reason they don't like using scripts is cause they played when TW first came out long ago and like to keep to the way it was originally played. And its not because they can't afford the helpers, they can, and have tried some and still like to go manual. Go figure!

I am like Zilla, use the scripts for mundane things and do killings by hand. I get more personal satisfaction that way. And am slowly getting back into the swing of things, and hope to be a contender again soon! But until I get fully back into the swing I will continue to host my server, and set up games for players and do take requests.

Might be changing up some games on my server too, or adding more to it. And I am always looking for more edits to put up for all.

Vulcan

I say you are setting yourself up for failure. Setup your game for low turns, as in 250-500, and post a rule saying no offensive macros or scripts... er, no kill scripts (I've seen some pretty offensive scripts that had nothing to do with offense <G>). DragonTail used to run games this way, and the peeps that played there enjoyed it, and abided by the rules. That lets them run mundane colo,SDT, and PPT scripts (the kind that can't be policed) and discourages them from using attack scripts or macros, which can sorta be policed with the latest beta of TWX (read about the .cap file.)

If you say "NO SCRIPTS" in general, you'll have too many people crying foul. If I log in, make twice the cash everyone else does, then they'll accuse me of using some cool new haggle script and so I must be cheating. But that just creates an argument where neither side can prove their case. So I think you'll do better to allow scripts, so long as they don't attack another player. You want to be very thorough when describing what is and isn't allowed though.

+EP+

Thanks EP I like that idea a lot better. And personally I don't mind using scripts for the mundane stuff myself, and I think all who want this type of game will not mind this little change and the specific rules, Thanks again, that made my job easier. And I planned to make the game a low turn game too anyway. you just showed me a way to please a little of both sides, now to get all in agreement that want it.

Vulcan

Scripts! Scripts! Scripts! Are just a lazy way of playing(if you can call it that)a game.
All you little BOYZ need to do is take a keyboarding class and you wont need scripts.
WAH WAH WAH!! I can't type. or it takes to much time to load a planet!.
Yeah all you BOYZ do is use them to warp in in a split second when someone hits your fig and kill them. Had it done. Yeah I have Swarth regged. Tho I am still poor. I want to keep up with you ppl.
SCRIPTING makes the game worthless. If you want a scripting contest then show how you can script $1,000,000 from comcast and not get caught. heh
Anyway I think scripting takes away from the game.
But since it is a game and you BOYZ like to prove who has the bigger pr..... er I mean better script.. come play.
Just my little rant... ah I feel better.

Bethel

people who complain about scripts wrecking the game are just the people who can't adapt to the game today.
you can't use scripts effectively without game knowledge.
i suggest you learn the game and think about what to say before you say it, cause now we all know you suck and instead of trying to learn to get better, you just whine and use excuses.
read tw-cabal
download twx
read the forums
learn the game
*then* see if you still "hate" scripts and their evilness.
until then
you are just a whiney noob just like every other whiney noob who can't hack it so blames it on the "uber-script" that appearantly all these good people have.
hate to break it to you, but there is no "uber-script" the reason people like you lose so much is just because you dont know the game and you refuse to learn. so you use scripts as a scapegoat for your inadiquacy. (sp)

again, don't take this as me just picking on a newb.
take this as me being straight up and blunt about the game and you.
use it to change and learn and adapt and get better.
or, just flame me and continue to whine about scripts for another month and disappear like all the rest. (they always do)
the choice is yours.
the tools are before you.
all you have to do is reach out, pick them up and use them (http://www.tw-cabal.com)(http://www.twxproxy.com)

Slim

You lost me, as usual with your verbosity, SS. What point(s?) are you making?

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

people who complain about scripts wrecking the game are just the people who can't adapt to the game today.
you can't use scripts effectively without game knowledge.
i suggest you learn the game and think about what to say before you say it, cause now we all know you suck and instead of trying to learn to get better, you just whine and use excuses.
read tw-cabal
download twx
read the forums
learn the game
*then* see if you still "hate" scripts and their evilness.
until then
you are just a whiney noob just like every other whiney noob who can't hack it so blames it on the "uber-script" that appearantly all these good people have.
hate to break it to you, but there is no "uber-script" the reason people like you lose so much is just because you dont know the game and you refuse to learn. so you use scripts as a scapegoat for your inadiquacy. (sp)

again, don't take this as me just picking on a newb.
take this as me being straight up and blunt about the game and you.
use it to change and learn and adapt and get better.
or, just flame me and continue to whine about scripts for another month and disappear like all the rest. (they always do)
the choice is yours.
the tools are before you.
all you have to do is reach out, pick them up and use them (http://www.tw-cabal.com)(http://www.twxproxy.com)

Slim

His point is that people who say things like "SCRIPTING makes the game worthless" really need to have more than just an opinion to back themselves up when they post garbage like that. Scripts do NOT make the game worthless, and they don't instantly turn newbies into super players either. They automate repetitive tasks, and also can be used to kill/photon, certainly. But without game knowledge and experience, kill scripts are as (if not more) likely to get you killed than to kill another player. Knowing what script to run, how to run it, and when to run it are skills that are often overlooked. Or even *gasp* writing your own scripts. Like it or not, scripting is a major part of modern TW. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but posting on the forum that everyone who uses scripts is an untalented player who is overcompensating for small genitalia is pry not the best of ideas. These forums are frequented by players who live and die with scripts, and alienating pretty much everyone who reads your post is not a good way to recruit players to your server or make new friends.

Bethel, there have been many posts about how to limit the impact that scripts have on a game. Look them up, set your server up to inhibit scripting, and post letting everyone know that scripts will be handicapped on your board. You are certainly not alone in the (IMHO erroneous) opinion that scripts are somehow detrimental to TW. Set up a server where those who feel the same way can play without scripts. But please keep in mind that everyone here is entitled to their own opinions, just as you are. The fact that many of us choose to use/write scripts doesn't mean we're wrong/stupid/bad/BOYZ/whatever. Insulting us for using them is pretty childish. State your opinions and back them up, don't just flame with no substance.

I think I understand what Slim is saying, to Bethel Hues I say this, I only use the scripts to do the mundane things while concentrating on other things while playing, and as for typing, I have no problem there. I type fairly fast and can hold my own there, that is why I do my killing manually.

The scripts have helped bring the game into a whole new age to play, but I don't like using them if I can do what they do only better, like I said I can typt fast enough to pop fairly fast and can write a macro to do that as well, but usually a macro can't take into account some of the different variables that might pop up along the way and gets thrown for a loop, and scripts can be set to at least account for some of these variables and respond to them, and at times even the best typer makes a mistake while typing and sometimes that can cost a lot in a game, but don't get the idea that because people use scripts they are all slow typers and/ or don't know how to type well at all. Some will fool you. And as Slim said Game knowlege means more to the game than just the scripts. Without that then the scripts are for nothing, the guys who write them have a lot of game knowlege to be able to write them the way they do, and players have to have some sort of game knowlege to use them properly.

Like I said earlier, I like to use them for the mundane things, and let them do the work tirelessly,would you want to fully stock a planet manually now days when the planets can be custom edited to hold what some of the custom planets can hold? If you do then you will be too tired at the keys to defend yourself in a combat, or more likely make a mistake on the keys, this is why I let the scripts run the mundane things, so that I can work on the keystrokes for fighting, for capping, and or retreating if needed. And not to mention, fast reading the screen as things fly by and finding things to fight as needed while those scripst are running,I let the scripts move me and I look for what I need along the way and do what is necessary as needed. So to me the scripts have some use that might not been looked at when they were written. But as with all things scripts have there good side and there bad side, like if you are scripting and letting your script run unattended, you are asking for someone to jump you. Also some things can cause a script to stop running and you are s sitting duck somewhere if you are leaving it unattended. So when I script I usually don't leave it unattended while using a script, I learned a hard lesson by leaving a script unattended and when came back to find I got podded by another player, ever since then I watch my scripts and never assume no one will attack me while scripting, thats why I watch the data while scripting, looking for possible threats and eliminating them as I can.

Vulcan

Sorry this is so long, SGO is in my fingers again!
But honestly SGO did give me some great help and tips on fixing edits for my server, Thanks SGO, I hope you are reading this.

Hehhe I agree with you guys I have to learn how to use scripts and get good ones to counter others.
Oh yeah The other day I was at a game and just warping along and hit a toll fig, WHAM In comes player and pods me. NP it happens. Later tho I saw the player in another game somewhere and talked to him/her. I told them they had podded me earlier, but np. They told me it was a script and he was in bed asleep. not even at the keyboard. Now That isnt playing is it?
Then whats the use of playing the game if you can go to bed and have scripts do it all? Thats what I do not get.
I use scrpts for smundane stuff also (now anyway). But not know them well and not being able to use them properly SUCKS!1

Thanks for the feed back.
I was just ranting the other day

Bethel



PS. thanks Slim for the links

hey stock do u wanna go to the browns game tonight?

NO sorry i have to colonize and trade by HAND. are u kidding me guys.. without scripts u would have about 10 players in the tw community... learn how to use them and see hwo fun they are then u will be the one telling peeps that scripts are neccessary.. TRUST ME

and a simple mac sector fig kill can escape a photon or a pdrop..

quote:They told me it was a script and he was in bed asleep. not even at the keyboard.

Let that person try that in a real game where people know what there doing he will be in a pod sooner then later. AFK kill scripts are only good for one thing getting you killed.

And yea try SDTing 1400 turns buy hand if I had to do everything by hand then you could say I would have quit playing this game a long time ago.

SD I totally agree, if I had to SST or SSM manually again, I would have some very tired fingers who wouldn't forgive me. LOL