quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

It is posted here because my experience with political threads elsewhere is one of the following:

a. It is frequented by older people who can type out one response every couple of days or

b. It is frequented by a much of flame artists who have to use cuss words every third or fourth word and there is no actual debate other than seeing who can call each other better names.

At least on here SGO, even though he is wrong, can respond in an intelligible way. Furthermore, arguing with SGO is like taking candy from a baby. He just makes it so easy to win.


I agree with and have experienced various incarnations of both a and b so I can totally sympathize with you. There doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a problem with that sort of thing here. I don't think the last bit even needs commenting on. [;)]

I say if we need the Oil so bad, then why not just take over the whole country. And slaughter the innocent people there as well as the terrorist. Blow up all the buildings and make it a restricted area, plant land mines everywhere so that we dont get those asian people going over there and taking pictures. And make it our Oil stock pile. At least gas prices would go down and I could drive my car again. Ae Soo

SGO is a Florida voter........Ahhh now everything makes sense.

In texas they hang'em High, in Fla they hanging chad.....

Plz take this in the good natured kidding it was intended.
Happy 4th.

quote:Originally posted by typh00n

That actually brings up a question of mine that has gone unanswered since the very beginning of the other political thread. Which is : if we need oil enough to warrant a multi-billion dollar military campaign, costly not only in terms of manpower, personnel, and human life - but also costing in the hundreds of billions - doesn't that seem to indicate we are over dependent on oil, and that a more productive and forward thinking alternative would be to invest in the development and research of alternative sources of energy? Oil is, after all, a finite resource. Alternatives currently exist, and the technology is getting better.

Because the oil companies have a large influence on the govt. (ahem Bush), and they don't want to loose the billions of dollars from oil sales to electric cars and such. Because people are greedy mother ****ers. Because see, while the government spends its billions on a war...those american oil sheeks are not loosing a dime. Not to mention they are getting richer than ever with the current prices.

That I mentioned his name does not mean that I don't support Bush on his War on Terrorism.

quote:Originally posted by Tradewarrior55

SGO is a Florida voter........Ahhh now everything makes sense.

In texas they hang'em High, in Fla they hanging chad.....

Plz take this in the good natured kidding it was intended.
Happy 4th.


Hey... I live in Florida! [:D]
and I dont agree with anything that's come out of SGO's mouth so far on this topic [:P]

I guess in 1942 we should not have go involved in Nazi Domination, And Japan's invasion into indo china. I guess we the USA, should not care
what happens off our shores. Guess ill sit on my porch , mow my lawn,
and paint my fence, and forget the driveby's, robbing, killing, thiefing
on my street and sidewalk, outside my little world!, and not care. but
I cant do that, its my street ,my city ,my country.
and if the USA cares about its country, naboures, friends, and enimes.
Then it must try to do somthing. Im glad we have a Prez that has the go-nads to clean-up the garbage country, that are living in the past, and keeping the world from growing, and humanity to take the next step, to a higher plane. some times you have to kill grass and weeds to grow a garden!

First of all, I'm wondering if Bone is even old enough to REMEMBER Vietnam. It doesn't sound like he is, because he's just repeating the same political nonsense that has been spouted by the know nothing Republicans for years about Nam!

Secondly, Nam did not start OUT the blood bath that it became. We were not losing 500 men per month at first. It graduated. The Iraq conflict isn't over yet, give it time! As far as not having 2.5 million troops in Iraq, AGAIN, ole Bone hasn't done his research.

As to the "oil" issue, those who say "we need the oil" are completely clueless as to the truth, they've bought into Carter's LIES that the US ran "out of oil" and became dependent upon OPEC. That is not what happened at all. If you research it, you will find that PRICE CONTROLS on Gasoline put the American Oil Companies out of business. Americans still pay up to 3 dollars less per gallon for gasoline than the rest of the world, and you gotta love it when people come in here and complain about paying 2 dollars per gallon, because you can tell they've never been anywhere else in the world. I've driven in Europe and I can assure you, we have got it MADE, when it comes to Gas prices.

The US Government put the American Oil Companies out of business. We've got plenty of our own oil, it's just that it's too expensive to drill it and process it because we can only charge so much for it thanks to price regulations. The US Government CREATED our dependency on OPEC, now Americans buy into the half baked notion and completely unfounded that we must somehow now storm our Arab Nations with armies because we "need the oil."

These are all very dangerous positions! Not only that, it's the same mentality that led to the holocaust of Native Americans in this country. "We need the land!" "We need the Gold."

Americans who say this, "we need the oil, the war was inevitable," are actually revealing what thieves they really are. I wouldn't trust Bone if he lived next door to me, I'd be afraid that if at some future date I had something that he needed, he might take one of those guns he's got and break into my house and take it by force (which is exactly what he's advocating in Iraq when he justifies that war by saying "we need the oil").

Some things aren't "democratic," nor are they "republican" some things are just common sense and common human decency! To say it was ok invade Iraq because we "need the oil," is the wickedest argument of them all! Those arguments BREED terrorism, because Arabs hear such an argument and then use them against us. They say "see, Americans are taking over the Middle East so they can control the world's Oil Reserves, that oil belongs to the Arabs, we must fight America with everything we have."

This is a simplified version of things but it is accurate.

Now consider this, the United States possesses 60 percent of the world's useable fresh water supply! What if a coalition decided that they need that water, and used it to justify an invasion of this country? Would you call the people that fought against these invaders, "terrorists?" I don't think so, you'd call them "patriots," you'd call them "freedom fighters."

If the majority of Americans honestly feel that the invasion of Iraq was justified because their gas prices are going up, I'd say this Country is in far more serious moral decay than I had realized.

I hope that Bone's sentiment is not the "popular" feeling among my fellow Americans, I like to think that we are above invading a country to take something that doesn't belong to us, so that we don't have to pay for it!

There's a word for that, it's called "stealing."

But the ten commandments have been suppressed for years, I don't expect Bone to be familiar with them.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

I hope that Bone's sentiment is not the "popular" feeling among my fellow Americans, I like to think that we are above invading a country to take something that doesn't belong to us, so that we don't have to pay for it!


And you say that other people haven't done their research? [V]

It's hard to determine how many people have this ridiculous notion that the Gas prices somehow justify an invasion of Iraq. I'm an optimist and hoping that MOST Americans are smarter than that. Probably not though... sigh.

quote: It's hard to determine how many people have this ridiculous notion that the Gas prices somehow justify an invasion of Iraq. I'm an optimist and hoping that MOST Americans are smarter than that. Probably not though... sigh.

I usually hear the "oil for war" argument used by critics of the current administration, and its proponents flatly denying that oil has anything to do with it at all. So no, i don't think most people consider oil a valid reason for war.

I don't think we have to worry bout Bush for much longer he time is up in office, basically he has mess up real bad and everybody knows it Hell i am republican and i am gonna vote for Kerry.....Bush has screwed this country up I am from Florida too i know what Jeb has done also....SGO is Right on this one i would just say peace to Bush but i would rather say get the F*** OUT...Period... If you can't see it I am sorry but you are either Rich or Blind....End OF Discussion

P.S. Or just don't care about what is really going on in America.

But that is my two cents i do not impose this on anybody, he has done good but done alot more bad, I believe that we should fight for our rights But i don't think we should kill for Oil, For Christ sake we are the Richest country in World. But Really Like a few others said b4
This Is EIS FORUM no Polictical Debate FORUM...LOL Geez


FED COM: When did TW's Become political? LOL

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

It's hard to determine how many people have this ridiculous notion that the Gas prices somehow justify an invasion of Iraq. I'm an optimist and hoping that MOST Americans are smarter than that. Probably not though... sigh.


Methinks it's ridiculous as well, but of course that wasn't at all what I was getting at. That'll teach me to try though. [xx(]

I can not believe everyone is talking all this B.S. Like I said take over the world and call the world America Earth. Also kill all the people that think war is not fought over oil at all, I mean who wouldnt want to control billions of dollars worth of the Blackness. I think I wouldnt. There once was a monkey that ate 2 bananas, the monkey got alittle fatter. There once was a monkey that gave away his 2 bananas, he got Diareaha forever. Which monkey are you?

quote:Originally posted by gatewaysysop
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Methinks it's ridiculous as well, but of course that wasn't at all what I was getting at. That'll teach me to try though. [xx(]


No, it's not what you were getting at, but it is what Bone said outright. My comments were pointing at him