I have used swath with a twx and zmud combo and have never had the problems that sgo had unless I forgot to turn off the lightbulb on swath before running a twx sst, sdt, ect, script. I still use swath and I think one of its best aspects is the map. I use twx scripts mostly and when I bust I just go to(swaths) view, bust list and enter the bust manualy, then I can view it on the map, you can set the bust clear, it will clear my busts for how ever many days I have set it for (I think default is 7} so you need to check game settings. if your playing with others and they clear your busts, just manualy remove them. I think its really bad form for anyone to bash or give any negative feedback on any helper that you have not mastered. hey, swath is not perfect but what helper is? its a heck of alot better than not having a helper and I feel I have gotten my money's worth.

SWATH used to support a non-crippled 30 day trial period
i'm not sure why they don't anymore

@Slim

I can create a time limited account for you if you like.
Then you can try the full version for 30 days.
Send a mail to support@swath.net and I will set it up.

I have used various helpers since getting restarted in Twars and prefer SWATH more than the others. The registeration fee is very acceptable and when coupled with the reg fee for twx, the cost is about the same as some games I have bought and quit playing after a month. I restarted playing Twars and using helpers in Aug of '03 so the bang for the buck (or pods if you wish) made the cost well worth it. I really haven't had any problems with SWATH or twx to speak of. Improvements could be made to SWATH's ztm, but I use SupG's ztm so that isn't a major issue.

Talking about any press being good press....
newbie trader posted this universal announcement:
Using SWATH v1.6.6 - Visit http://www.swath.net/ now!
newbie killer DESTROYED newbie trader's Julius Caesar!
Names were changed to protect the guilty.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

quote: @Slim

I can create a time limited account for you if you like.
Then you can try the full version for 30 days.
Send a mail to support@swath.net and I will set it up.

will you create a time limit account for anybody who asks or just slim? noticed the msg was addressed to him specifically.
reflects poorly on you if you reserve pampered treatment for a select few
- i already own a copy of SWATH, just speaking in terms of general principle

Lol "No good deed goes unpunished" Ty, Stein goes the extra mile to satisfy a customer, in a public forum. I am quite sure any request by anyone else would be honored. I hear all the time, even from my mouth This is supposted to be a sevice economy and we get poor service. To me it is refreshing to see enuff interest for a customer to go the extra mile. My experience with Swath support has been very good. For a low cost program for a low customer base game as TW2002, I feel they do very well. Its not like they have a staff of 50 techs, waiting for your call.
I had problems with the experation time. it timed out on me early. They promptly fixed it. Explained to me what possible things on my part that could have caused it. I finished my Free time and liked it purchased it. <shrugs> Just my take on it.

quote: I am quite sure any request by anyone else would be honored.

if your assumption's correct then i have no problem
merely seemed like a case of squeeky posters getting greased

@typh00n
Yes, that would apply to anyone if they have this need. I still think the normal evaluation mode is enough to evaluate the product and it would involve much more handling from our part to create trial accounts for everyone.

Maybe with a different protection system, this could be automated in the future.

I'd like to go to Nabisco and say "I'd like a time limited trial of your crackers because, even though I tasted them in the grocery store, I didn't get to taste them more than anyone else in the store did and I'm not sure I want to drop a few bucks on a box of them."

i did point out i am cheap and stubborn right? hehe hell, stein is a good guy though. i think for the most part im not sure what swath does that my current set up doesnt do other than the visual map, but i have yet to give up my old ways of writing stuff down on paper heh. i will say this though, i will goto the website, browse around, read swath forums and such now so i can have a more educated overview of it.
typh00n, im not "squeeky" hehe.

Slim

HEH...a trial on nabisco crackers. Well those would not be returnable or expirable after youve eaten them. Swath is. I do own a Swath registration however. I bought it only after hearing how great it was, and the fact that it does fairly well in the TW Awards. However I would never ever have bought it just simply from my experience with the trial version... Stein the limitations you specify are IT.... but I believe they are TOO limited. I think any experienced player would have a hard time buying Swath just off of their use of the trial version. Some newer players however probably would try it and think it was golden and probably buy it.

And not to knock Swath...but as previously stated it has its shortcomings. And I hope to see 1.7 soon so that I can get more use out of the helper as I currently don't use it very much.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

Heh, I want to take this opportunity to tell you all that the problems I'm having with Swath are most likely Operator Error, coupled with Operating System errors! I attempted to run my scripts that aren't running right (with swath) using a standard telnet and guess what, same problems! (minus the blue screen thing).

My TWX scripts simply shut down, no matter how I run them!

This suggests to me that I simply do NOT know how to configure the scripts properly and MUST go do my "research" as Rick Mead put it.

Just wanted to throw that in.




No need to mention it, we all knew it.

quote:Originally posted by Orion_Blastar

PHX and Slim, I am not working and I am on disability with a family to support. Yet I managed to pay for a SWATH registration. If the SWATH demo was not restricted in some way, they would not earn any money. If you want good software, and it is not F/OSS (Free/Open Source Software) then you have to pay for it. The money you pay will go to make SWATH better in the future.

Me, I cannot wait for that WINE compatability mode so I can run SWATH in Linux. Just need a TWXProxy port to WINE as well. Then I won't worry about Windows Malware ever again and still play Tradewars. [:)]


TWXProxy runs fine under wine..
Programs arent made compatiable for WINE (well I guess they are in some ways, but it's not straight forward like that, if they chose not to write it for say the .NET framework then it will probably work)
Zoc also loads under WINE and I am pretty sure swath would also without much work at all (work by you)..

quote:Originally posted by typh00n

quote: @Slim

I can create a time limited account for you if you like.
Then you can try the full version for 30 days.
Send a mail to support@swath.net and I will set it up.

will you create a time limit account for anybody who asks or just slim? noticed the msg was addressed to him specifically.
reflects poorly on you if you reserve pampered treatment for a select few
- i already own a copy of SWATH, just speaking in terms of general principle


I dont see why he should, the limited version I used WAS good enough in the past. The problem with time limited versions is that (of course) people simply re-install them (it doesnt take much to figgure out how to remove the stored data that will stop it on re-install)

quote: I dont see why he should, the limited version I used WAS good enough in the past. The problem with time limited versions is that (of course) people simply re-install them (it doesnt take much to figgure out how to remove the stored data that will stop it on re-install)

i was under the impression that a swath time-limited license wasn't something you could uninstall-reinstall since it was a username and password that only worked with the auth server for x days