I have loaded SWATH & TWX alot, cause im always upgrading or formating
Somthing. And I can say I have never had a problem loading SWATH or TWX
I have had little probmems in running some scripts, but mostly it was ME
not doing somthing right. Maybe it's YOU, not doing somthing right.

quote:Originally posted by The WABBIT
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you will get more of a responce by posting in the forums. And also, as stated before. You will also get help from the users of SWATH. As there may have been someone else that has experienced your problem.


Or maybe I'll just get the flack I get here... "oh you're just stupid and you don't know how to use a computer," "oh you are doing something wrong, I don't know what it is that you are doing wrong but you are doing it wrong, it just CAN'T be the software!" Etc.


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Second by posting in the forums. There is a history of the problem. And everyone can see this history.

Well, you see, just like what's happening here, people will more than likely just say "that's never happened to me before, you just don't know what you are doing."

You are missing the point. I think it's rather sad that I have to turn to other users for help with these problems. I would think the people that programmed and released the software would be able to tell me EXACTLY what I'm doing wrong (if in fact all of you are right and the problem is with me). Yet, after sending log files to them and describing in detail the problems WITH the error codes, the response I get back is "I don't know what's going on there."

It occurs to me, if I was doing something wrong, it would show in the log files and the captures, and Stein would send a letter back saying "look guy, you gotta get a better grasp on the software, you're doing this or that wrong."

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But, then you have the attitude that you know more than the Authors of the program. So good luck...

I've never said ANYTHING that remotely IMPLIES I KNOW MORE THAN THEY! Ridiculous!

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Then I would suggest that you do a fresh install to Windows 2000 or XP. And give that a try. As stated by another poster here. People using SWATH in 98/98SE/ME have many more problems.

Sure thing, can you loan me the 80 or so bucks for win 2000 or XP?
Thanks, you are a big help!

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If you do not wish to goto 2000 or XP. Then you will have to deal with the problems. Or not use SWATH

Taken from the Swath.net "Swath Features" page:

quote:Visual Map
Compatible with Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/WINE
Show Dead End Sectors

It doesn't say "win 2000 or above required."

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I have also seen that AV programs, that are running in the background. Cause more problems with all TW Helpers.

So I suggest that you turn off your AV program, when running any TW Helper.

I don't run AV programs, in fact, to my knowledge I don't even own any.



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And as for these problems. As I have already told you, but you refushed to listen. (This is caused by your "I know the program better than the Author(s)" attitude.)

You've told me I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm stupid, as for me and my supposed "I know better than the Author," attitude, as I've said that is UTTERLY ridiculous! The Author as I've explained over and over again has not given me any answers on these issues, so therefore HOW could I EVER make a judgment as to whether I know more than him? I haven't criticized a single thing the Author has said on these problems, because he hasn't said ANYTHING! Do we understand each other now? (Except to tell me to do a ZTM which I did). Geez.

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These scripts a player created, they were not created by Stein or Mac. (Although Mac did created the Ether Probe script.) And all of those scripts are old. As in they were created long before v1.6.0 came out. As such they are not up todate with the current SWATH JAVA API/Commands.

It's becoming completely apparent you aren't really reading my posts but just skimming them. I said plainly that I understand that the shut downs and script failures might be a problem with the script. It's the lockups and "swath not responding" and blue screens, and black screens and error codes that follow the script shutting down that clearly CANNOT be the fault of the script! That's a SOFTWARE ISSUE!

From your previous post:
quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord6. The Swath support is seriously lacking, that is the real issue here.



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What lack of support? Are you talking about the fact that you demand that they put out a fixed version of SWATH, right then and there. Hell, If I was Stien. I'd tell you to go *%$# yourself.

Interesting, I just scrolled backwards and re read all my posts! I didn't "demand" anywhere that the immediately releas a new version!

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As with any software that you use. You need to request help from the author/makers of that software. And you need to do it in a polite manner.


I am always polite to people. There has been no problems on that end. I'm always polite to them and they always politely tell me nothing.

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Second, SWATH is not a 'Mission Critical' piece of software. ie no one is going to die from it not working. As such any problems will be fixed as soon as they can be fixed. And a updated version of SWATH will be released. As soon a Stien, and Mac, decide it is ready to be released. Not any time before.

In the game, these problems are mission critical, not to mention you have to wonder what damage is being done to my computer when I have to reach down and shut the power switch off because Swath has locked up my entire system.

You are right, they can do whatever they want, I however, as the customer reserve the right to post these problems and tell people "I don't recommend their software at this time." Which is all I've done here.

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Your demanding to have a fixed program right away. Do not do the your or the author(s) of the program any good.

Again, don't put words in my mouth. I never made any such demand!

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord



Taken from the Swath.net "Swath Features" page:

quote:Visual Map
Compatible with Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/WINE
Show Dead End Sectors

It doesn't say "win 2000 or above required."

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Well SGO, if you look on Microsofts web site you wont find it anywhere that Windows 95/98/ME are the worst pieces of **** in the Windows arsenal currently. You will not find that Windows NT has been long replaced by Windows 2000 and XP. You will not find anywhere that says that WINE will run every Windows program available on a Linux box. But common sense and the willingness to accept a reasonable explanation dictates that these are all true statements. Get a life and quit bashing perfectly good products and developers just because YOU cant figure it out and dont understand the proper place to ask for help on it.

For those of you who requested more information.

I was running the Photon Watch script currently available at Swath.net. I have been running it from the same sector for almost 24 hours now with no problems. A few minutes ago it shut down with the following message.


[PhotonWatch] Error: [J5] GetInfo failed

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Further attempt to restart the script have failed. It will not run now. I'm going to have to close out swath and more than likely it will cause a blue screen error and possibly a computer lock up.

quote:Originally posted by Boss
Windows 95/98/ME are the worst pieces of **** in the Windows arsenal currently. You will not find that Windows NT has been long replaced by Windows 2000 and XP.

I have no problems with Win 98 whatsoever. So, let me get this straight, because Swath, a minor software, won't run properly under Win 98 applications, I am supposed to conclude that it's the Major OS that is the "crap" and not the Swath? You call THAT common sense?

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But common sense and the willingness to accept a reasonable explanation dictates that these are all true statements. Get a life and quit bashing perfectly good products and developers just because YOU cant figure it out and dont understand the proper place to ask for help on it.

Heh, now that's funny. The proper place to ask for help with software related issues SHOULD be with the Software Manufacturers "support" contact link! Nothing to figure out there!

AV = Antivirus
It really sounds to me like you are having a conflict with some other program running on your system not that it is a swtah problem but running swath combined with the other program causes the blue screens you are getting what TSR programs are you running on your system. Also you can download spybot sd and adware both are free programs when ran together will kill 99% of all spyware on your system give them a try you can download them at the following links.

http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=download for spybot
http://download.com.com/3000-2144-10045 ... tag=button for adware

Yea it does say that swath is compatible with win 98 and 95 but also you need to remember that the installed software on your system might not match what they tested it with there are so many different combinations of system configurations out there that there is no way they could test it with every possible combination.

As for getting a copy of windows 2000 or xp check ebay I have seen listings for full retail versions for as low as $10.00 starting bid.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

quote:Originally posted by Boss
Windows 95/98/ME are the worst pieces of **** in the Windows arsenal currently. You will not find that Windows NT has been long replaced by Windows 2000 and XP.


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Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord
I have no problems with Win 98 whatsoever. So, let me get this straight, because Swath, a minor software, won't run properly under Win 98 applications, I am supposed to conclude that it's the Major OS that is the "crap" and not the Swath? You call THAT common sense?


He's not suggesting you 'conclude' anything. He's suggesting that you START with the assumption that 9x/ME are crap.

quote:Originally posted by Speed Demon

AV = Antivirus

http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=download for spybot
http://download.com.com/3000-2144-10045 ... tag=button for adware

Thanks for the clarification and the link. I don't run my AV in the background, I load it up when I want to use it, there's a thorough AV program on the internet that I use most, it's free and I have it book marked. They promise to find a fix for any new virus within 48 hours of detection.

I have been to the spyware site you provide here, I will go there again.

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there are so many different combinations of system configurations out there that there is no way they could test it with every possible combination.

Noted, point received.

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As for getting a copy of windows 2000 or xp check ebay I have seen listings for full retail versions for as low as $10.00 starting bid.



I might get around to upgrading eventually, but right now, like I said, I'm satisfied with win 98 (in fact I liked win 95 better).

quote:Originally posted by Orion_Blastar

If SWATH, Java, and REXX scripts are messing up, did you try TWXProxy yet and TWX scripts?



Dude, my TWX works GREAT! Especially if I turn off the Auto Run feature on Swath (lightbulb). (Except some of the scripts don't work at all and I blame that entirely on Swath.

QUESTION: I've got win 98 and the standard telnet does not allow me to change ports (it did with win 95 but doesn't with win 98). If I could figure out how to telnet to TWX Proxy with standard telnet I think I would rarely use Swath and I could test out my theory about the TWX scripts that don't work being Swath related.

I tried telnetting by putting in a colon and then the port in the telnet address window (following the telnet address) that didn't work.

By the way, thanks for all the help you've given me.

Personally I think most of these guys don't want me to figure this scripting thing out cuz they're afraid I'll wax them in the game (heheh J.K.)

cut and past this in to the run box in the start menu

telnet://127.0.0.1:23

just replace the port number if the port number after the colon is different

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

For those of you who requested more information.

I was running the Photon Watch script currently available at Swath.net. I have been running it from the same sector for almost 24 hours now with no problems. A few minutes ago it shut down with the following message.


[PhotonWatch] Error: [J5] GetInfo failed

Further attempt to restart the script have failed. It will not run now. I'm going to have to close out swath and more than likely it will cause a blue screen error and possibly a computer lock up.




If you are having problems with 3rd party scripts then you should go back to the script maker. It's a bit like saying that Tradewars is Buggy, so going to microsoft to ask for a fix because tradewars runs under windows.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

quote:Originally posted by Orion_Blastar

If SWATH, Java, and REXX scripts are messing up, did you try TWXProxy yet and TWX scripts?



Dude, my TWX works GREAT! Especially if I turn off the Auto Run feature on Swath (lightbulb). (Except some of the scripts don't work at all and I blame that entirely on Swath.

QUESTION: I've got win 98 and the standard telnet does not allow me to change ports (it did with win 95 but doesn't with win 98). If I could figure out how to telnet to TWX Proxy with standard telnet I think I would rarely use Swath and I could test out my theory about the TWX scripts that don't work being Swath related.

I tried telnetting by putting in a colon and then the port in the telnet address window (following the telnet address) that didn't work.

By the way, thanks for all the help you've given me.

Personally I think most of these guys don't want me to figure this scripting thing out cuz they're afraid I'll wax them in the game (heheh J.K.)




Bit of a turnaround hu SGO?

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I have a registered TWX, guess what, most of the scripts don't work with swath, twx stops dead in it's tracks, (just like the Java scripts do), I have to stop and restart continually, I also get "failed" error messages on half the TWX scripts while running them with swath


So uhhhh ..
Pick one and lets see where it takes us.

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QUESTION: I've got win 98 and the standard telnet does not allow me to change ports (it did with win 95 but doesn't with win 98). If I could figure out how to telnet to TWX Proxy with standard telnet I think I would rarely use Swath and I could test out my theory about the TWX scripts that don't work being Swath related.
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Windows Run Prompt uses telnet as follows
Telnet 127.0.0.1 23

You can connect to whatever IP, on whatever port using that scheme, or least I have never found occurances were I cannot. In addition, I'm not sure what you mean by Win 98 doesn't let you. You should be able to run telnet, go to connect, enter IP, and port below. Of course I haven't used 98 in quiet awhile so i could be WAY off base here. I'll test on an old 98 box tonight if I get a chance.

Jhereg

quote:Originally posted by Doctor Who

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

Dude, my TWX works GREAT! Especially if I turn off the Auto Run feature on Swath (lightbulb). (Except some of the scripts don't work at all and I blame that entirely on Swath).




Bit of a turnaround hu SGO?

Ya a "bit," whereas in one post I said "most" of the twx scripts don't work with swath, in the other I said "some." In the second post I discounted the twx scripts that don't run purely because I don't know how to set up their log files (indeed that was my fault and someone messaged me privately as a result of these posts and I figured it out since I made the first post). This last post says "some" of the twx scripts stop dead while running them with Swath, and they still do.

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So uhhhh ..
Pick one and lets see where it takes us.


The latter. WorldTrade.ts shuts down while using it. WorldSSM also shuts down. Both of them ignore navigation settings. For example, I tell WorldSSM to run in "paranoid" and the first thing it does is fly me straight into the only sector around with enemy figs and mines in it. Same thing with Worldtrade. With "Find.ts" I was in a ship with 1 turn per warp and 30,000 turns, I specifically told it to explore only the "unexplored" sectors, and it refused, spending a total of 60,000 turns to explore only 5 percent of a 20,000 sector universe, which means, it used 60,000 turns to explore 1,000 sectors. I watched it for a very long time and it continually passed up red sectors to go to a sector I've already been to.

In fact, I placed a beacon in one sector because I suspected I might be going in circles, and indeed I was going in circles, warping through that beaconed sector over and over and over again.

Now, granted, this too could be a problem with the script, but you know, I've got a brand new TWX package and it would surprise me if this problem exists and no one has noticed it, or fixed it.

Shrug. I just know that when I told Big D about the problems and the errors I was getting it was he that suggested the problem was with Swath. Several other players I trust and admire told me the same thing.

check your voids on wssm if you loop you may have yourself traped in a set of sects. also supg's wssm works much better than the one that comes with twx packages. some of the twx scripts are a little flaky since .61,
there are plenty of twx scripts free out there that work very well with swath or zoc.
I also did some testing on the swath rob, ssm and sst. they worked properly for me and recorded my bust just fine. I am not disputing your having problems, I am not watching the screen so I cant tell what may help you. Just letting you know swath on my machine works. If you want swath to record your bust while you use twx evil scripts, leave light bulb on but turn off haggling. hope some of this info helps.