My only real problem with swath(aside from the rarely seen startup error) is the feature in sd that stops you from hitting the wrong key... If your blasting off trying to xport to a diff ship(by hand mind you) even if you hit the keys in the correct order it still gives you the Darn wrong key message. One day I know I'm gonna get blasted for that. [:(!]

How often have we said use A)SWATH and TWX or B)SWATH adn ZOC or C)SWATH and both? SWATH has a great interface and it's just good at displying things. It sucks for running scripts. That is where TWX and ZOC come in. If you've been here a year or more and haven't picked up on the fact that you LOOK at SWATH and USE TWX and ZOC, you're in trouble. Need to fix that learning curve.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree with Draconis and most everyone else who states that sgo is the problem. I'm sure when sgo bought his first VCR, he immediately told everyone within *****in.g distance that it was absolute rubbish, simply because he couldn't get the display to stop flashing 12:00.

Timborulz has developed some of the smoothest, unbreakable and deadly SWATH Java scripts. As a former member of his perma I have seen them work well on others, and have used them myself without problems.

I use Zoc and TWX myself, and only use SWATH if I need to get started in a low turn game, and for ZTM Mapping. So I'm not a SWATH junkie but I can appreciate it for its own merits. If you don't like it - don't use it. There are quite a few to choose from and if Drop Proxy stays on target there will soon be another.

err and sgo PLEASE don't give us your "opinion" of Drop Proxy when it comes out. [:D]

I use swath for the display on the left and the dead end finder and the com window.The rest is of no use to me.I havent seen anything on swath I cant do with something else.I use no scripts as they are slow and if there was one I wanted,id write it.And dont forget the one boo boo I make constantly.Turn off the haggle lol.Get rid of al the other crap,leave the few otions i describe,swath is cool.
My 2 cents

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All that aside tho, Swath is pretty! The bright colors make it much easier to see red on black (something that is hard for me).

I'd switch to zoc instantly if someone could point out to me how to do that.

Jasper



Options
Jump To
Terminal
Windows/Colors (tab)
Edit Global Color Table (Button)
Select Colo, Click Modify and then change it..

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

Ok, I've been using Swath now for well over a year. I have given it a lot of benefit of the doubt because I'm frankly not the greatest when it comes to mastering software progams. I do usually figure them out but it takes me a while.



Easier to just say you dont know how to use it yet (we dont need to know why or how long it takes).

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Swath consistently DOES NOT DO what it claims to do. It does not run Rexx Scripts well, in fact, it barely runs Java scripts written FOR SWATH.



Sure it runs Rexx scripts well.. It should run them better than Zoc.. I bet you mean it doesnt run Zoc-REXX scripts well. Research Regina-Rexx and Enterprise-Rexx and tell me what's better.. Then do a little more research and tell me what Zoc, Attac, Swath uses..

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IN FACT! Even the built in scripts that come with Java don't run properly. I run the SST and SSM scripts that are built in (using the buttons on the tool bar) and CONSISTENTLY I get busted trying to rob the same port I just robbed. In other words, the SST scripts that Swath provides can't seem to remember which port you robbed last!!! That's inexcusable. Here's the most recent bust! Just for evidence. This bust occurred running the SST feature, with the helper activated (light bulb selected) and all systems normal!



You shouldnt be trying to rob the same port you just rob'd at (You have played this game how long again?). the SST script isnt that bad.. It's not great BUT I bet I know what your doing and I am not going to tell you (cause really I think you should learn the game and troubleshoot the problems, send the full logs containing Steal/Sell/Transport/Steal/Bust and I bet i'll spot it..

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For this reason, I can't recommend swath to new users looking for a Helper!



I say it's a GREAT helper to new users.. It's the BEST newbie helper I feel.. Both it and Tw-Attac seem to be good for newbies (there is a slight shift in swath/Attac development to give more support to the high speed/skill players.

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(Oh, I also get continual "start error" windows while loading Swath, and sometimes it just doesn't load, and other times I even get BLUE screen errors). I've written Swath, I've spoke to MacAhan on ICQ, to no avail!




I know you havent done much research at all, I can tell because of JUST ONE key word that you said.

If it doesnt start straight away, then you should be able to start it up on the next click.. I would think that "swath developers" will fix this sooner rather than later, but it's a bit of a null issue cause really, it doesnt keep happening for anyone from what I hear. I would wonder if you have OTHER pc troubles causing this (and other) issues.

quote:Originally posted by Strider_2001

Use the TWX scripts with Swath....Problem Solved


Not really..
This can be complicated when you have Swath trying to kick bust protection in.

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I have a registered TWX, guess what, most of the scripts don't work with swath, twx stops dead in it's tracks, (just like the Java scripts do), I have to stop and restart continually, I also get "failed" error messages on half the TWX scripts while running them with swath

(and yes I disable the lightbulb button when I'm running twx).

Jeff



Yea.. Sounds like the lightbulb is off to me too..
I guess'd that a long time ago about you however..

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

and yes, my clear bust in x days always matches the server stats that's the first thing I check and no I don't use twx sst scripts with swath, (that's one of the scripts that don't work).

Swath is SUPPOSED to no let your rob or steal the same port twice, but at least once per game session it does let you!
At least mine does. That bust I posted here occurred using swath SST feature exclusively. I've noticed it's usually when you use the SDT feature that this error in swath occurs.
Other problems with swath:

1. ZTM fails almost 80 percent of the time


Only for you.. You must not be setting the universe size correctly.
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2. Cim data is not saved properly, when I holo scan a sector, it doesn't show up on a port pair list, and it doesn't show in a sector search.


Sounds like your turning the swath parser off.. Or never turn'd it on to start with.
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3. When I ether probe a sector it still won't show on a port pair list, nor on a sector search.


See note to #2 .. #2 is the one you listed directly before the #3 one (in case your lightbulb is off)
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4. Planets, ships, traders, mines, and fighters that I've seen with my own eyes while holo scanning do not show up in a sector search for those items.


See answer to #2 and #3 as they both apply here.. It's not THAT difficult.. Swath does stop parsing under some conditions (but it's rare)
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4. Ether probe script feature is always unavailable (subdued) it never worked.


I done answer'd #4.. Guess ur lightbulb is off so i'll call this #4-2 for future reference. (Maybee he's not added that script in yet)
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5. World Explore feature is always unavailable. Mac said you gotta ZTM first, but I then did a full ZTM and when I was done the World Explore feature was still subdued.


See #4-2
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I could go on an on



Been waiting a while for you to go.

quote:Originally posted by PHX

quote:Originally posted by severian

..Just whatever you do, stay away from TWAR for Windows...


check this out... http://www.swath.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000285.html

Read my post specifically.


Outdated, Unsupported software DOES NOT make it legal to crack the software reg process.. IT'S STILL ILLEGAL so I say that you shouldnt tell ppl such things. It's nearly the same as someone accepting a GNUGPL for forum software (like that that's run on (omitted so gypsy wont remove me)) on a support forum I know and not following the GNUGPL requirements.

quote:Originally posted by Jasper

There's the nearfig menu. Buydump. Altho its really slow, it convenient for upgrading planets.

All that aside tho, Swath is pretty! The bright colors make it much easier to see red on black (something that is hard for me).

I'd switch to zoc instantly if someone could point out to me how to do that.

Jasper



well jasper i can help you i use zoc and twx exclusively (as i tried swath once like 3 years ago and it was GAY) but the lack of colors did screw with me, luckily a smart man named Harley helped me out. in zoc, goto "options" on top, go down to "jump to" and then click on "windows/colors.." change the background color to black and the foreground color to grey and you will see everything beautifully and have no problems (i have had none.. i tried dark grey, but that still made a few things invisible, gray works best)
id say give that a try, tell me what ya think

Slim

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well jasper i can help you i use zoc and twx exclusively (as i tried swath once like 3 years ago and it was GAY) but the lack of colors did screw with me, luckily a smart man named Harley helped me out. in zoc, goto "options" on top, go down to "jump to" and then click on "windows/colors.." change the background color to black and the foreground color to grey and you will see everything beautifully and have no problems (i have had none.. i tried dark grey, but that still made a few things invisible, gray works best)
id say give that a try, tell me what ya think

Slim


I beat U to it like 9 post ago ;P

ZOC is junk. Useful insofar as several players have released many REXX scripts, also useful as a terminal program for such as twx proxy (go figure - xide created twx because REXX is great, yeh? laff).

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh

ZOC is junk. Useful insofar as several players have released many REXX scripts, also useful as a terminal program for such as twx proxy (go figure - xide created twx because REXX is great, yeh? laff).


I think xide didnt make TWXProxy for Zoc
He plays with stuff like TTP (or something old like that) so I think he's just trying to fill the gap for the old junk you use to what us new guys use.

Quick Note here.. TWXProxy can cause zoc to print AND PRINT AND PRINT so be careful on a corp network .. would hate for zoc to print to every printer on the network (hey it's happen'd)..

As of yet Cant figgure out if it's zoc or twx.. just the combination

Dr. Who.. hehe i didnt read all your posts, i just skimmed, u wrote too much and i was feeling lazy u didnt tell him what colors to use though so it was still helpful! heh, i always wondered why when sometimes i was in game zoc would try to print stuff.. luckily my printer doesnt work hehe

Slim