A no helper game is a newb game or for some people who are really old players who used to play by hand. This usually only applies to a low turn game though 250 to 500 turns, anything over that i would say 99 percent of the players now a days use either attac, swath, or twx & zoc or Zoc with the rev helper installed to do repetitive tasks, such as port trading, colonizing or to run scripts etc. So a good idea would be to have one or two games labeled for newb players with no helpers and make a couple for regular players. You will get more players on your server that way

^^thanks I'll try that later...

sounds like an excellent server
to avoid.

quote:Originally posted by dangerouslychzzy

^^I don't care whether it was a free helper or an expensive helper. Helpers are helpers. I have decided earlier that I am not playing on my own server. I am newer to this--so give me a break. I am not playing on my own server--but helpers are still not allowed. If you want to use helpers go to another game--one main reason I played on this server was because I knew I could keep it helper-free.

Macros are ok on my server--NO HELPERS

quote:Originally posted by PHX

You will find that only newbs are not using helpers and that is only because they have not heard of them yet or don't know how to use them...yet. So you have a newb server. Should be easy to maintain. You should add that to your game bang postings. "Newbie Server, No Helpers". And as soon as you do that those newbs are gonna go searching for helpers cause they wonder what that is. Then you loose them too.


ROFLMAO.
I'm a newbie? Been playing on and off since 1989, more or less continuously since '97. Never used a helper. Res, last time I heard, never used one either, just macros. Same for HellCat. 2 more newbies? That's the tip of an iceberg. Dozens of us, maybe hundreds, do not use helpers and newbies we ain't. I have nothing against helper use - it does not make a good player out of a bad one, which is a common misconception. Just allows bad players to lose faster, laff.

I know for a fact both players you mentioned Res, and hELL, use scripts/helpers. I don't think you are a newbie in the fact that you have been around and have mass game knowledge. Your game play without the use of a helper is on the newbie level. Whether you like it or not. Anyone who doesn't use a helper stands no chance in that type of game against someone who does. Only kind of games you have a chance in are 250 turns Stock games with a delay lol. I challenge you to play a unlim game without a helper and we see if you are put on the newbie mantle. I will be avoiding this server with a passion btw.



LokI is powering up weapons systems!

You have failed to answer anything I have talked about. THE REASON TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS SERVER IS BECAUSE YOU PLAY ON IT AND USE TEDIT TO TRY TO ENFORCE YOUR STUPID RULES.

I do have a few questions though. How do you plan on enforcing the no helper rule? I assume you dont sleep or even go to the restroom. How did you know I was using a helper and not macros? How do you plan on watching the server for 24 hours a day? The no helper days are long gone and ESPECIALLY in unlimited games. It is a silly rule and just because you are too friggin lazy to go out and learn how to use twx or swath or zoc is the only reason you have a problem with it.

Finally, what kind of post did you make earlier. Let me quote:

"^^I don't care whether it was a free helper or an expensive helper. Helpers are helpers. I have decided earlier that I am not playing on my own server. I am newer to this--so give me a break. I am not playing on my own server--but helpers are still not allowed. If you want to use helpers go to another game--one main reason I played on this server was because I knew I could keep it helper-free.

Macros are ok on my server--NO HELPERS"

You must have two personalities..."I decided not to play on my server, but the reason I played on my server was because I knew I could keep it helper free". Make up your mind...are you admitting to playing or are you still living that idiotic lie?

can someone please define what a helper is?
IMO anything that runs scripts or macros is a helper. to me a no helper game would be just my keystrokes and a telnet window.

quote:Originally posted by LOWKEY

I know for a fact both players you mentioned Res, and hELL, use scripts/helpers. I don't think you are a newbie in the fact that you have been around and have mass game knowledge. Your game play without the use of a helper is on the newbie level. Whether you like it or not. Anyone who doesn't use a helper stands no chance in that type of game against someone who does. Only kind of games you have a chance in are 250 turns Stock games with a delay lol. I challenge you to play a unlim game without a helper and we see if you are put on the newbie mantle. I will be avoiding this server with a passion btw.



LokI is powering up weapons systems!


I'd sooner have my arse scratched with a brick than play an unlimited turns game, words fail me when it comes to the inanity of a "one on one"

bone collector
The reason I decided to play on my server in the first place is because it is really hard to find unlim games with no helpers. However, no, I am no longer playing on it... Oh well... one less unlim, no helper game... Hard to find these days.

I cannot enforce the no-helper room 24/7, but if I see someone using a helper program then I will layeth the smacketh down.

I'm too lazy to not use a helper?
wow. Sad. You're too lazy to play by macros/hand only.

quote:Originally posted by Speed Demon

can someone please define what a helper is?
IMO anything that runs scripts or macros is a helper. to me a no helper game would be just my keystrokes and a telnet window.


The dividing line is grey. Macros are the simplest to differentiate from the others, a macro sends a string of characters which are executed without regard to current game conditions - for example, a macro trading a port pair would not "notice" that the port was dry of the commodities traded and that turns were being wasted.

The difference between a script and a helper is moot. Both respond "intelligently" and can change reply strings to respond to game conditions. Historically, helpers used be applications that one purchased to carry out this, in order to play TW; scripts were ones that one wrote oneself. With the advent of public domain (free) scripts for TW, there is little difference, except insofar as script writers can tweak the envelope to the detriment of those who are not script capable.

Apologies for repeating an earlier statement but the following are considered terminal programs and not helpers even though they can and do supports scripts and are easily used to add macros.
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Originally posted by Quaser

Someone help me, how do I run a script without a helper program. Inquiring minds, want to know!

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By using a terminal program such as Telix, Qmodem, Procomm Zoc, etc.

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh
ROFLMAO.
I'm a newbie? Been playing on and off since 1989, more or less continuously since '97. Never used a helper. Res, last time I heard, never used one either, just macros. Same for HellCat. 2 more newbies? That's the tip of an iceberg. Dozens of us, maybe hundreds, do not use helpers and newbies we ain't. I have nothing against helper use - it does not make a good player out of a bad one, which is a common misconception. Just allows bad players to lose faster, laff.



I to use macros for alot of things but when it comes to making cash ingame, you just cant beat a helper/script. Its to tedious a job and if any of the named people actually do this they probably don't have a girlfriend/wife other than rosy red palmer. So these people depend on what to make money ingame...corpies...who are using...scripts? Now in extremely low turn games it is feesible but still would be an annoying task. rebute...

The last time I didn't use a helper was in 1986. But with 1200 baud you could type faster than the text would display. An I think the games I was playing back then had like 100 to 250 turns [:D]
Today I would not even try to ppt or colonize without using a helper or a macro. Can anyone say carpal tunnel ?

quote:Originally posted by Rand

The last time I didn't use a helper was in 1986. But with 1200 baud you could type faster than the text would display. An I think the games I was playing back then had like 100 to 250 turns [:D]
Today I would even try to ppt or colonize without using a helper or a macro. Can anyone say carpal tunnel ?


I'm the same. A popular game I played then had 400 turns. and 30 mins to play them. When I started using a helper it was labled cheating.

Jasper

I assume you mean "wouldn't" try to do those things...and I can say carpal tunnel sundrome.[:D]

My mom has it from work. It sucks.