quote:Originally posted by Grazhoppa

supg..

Your my bro man, always will be, and I'd be honored to play with you again..

Take it easy on orion, he doesn't realize much yet

Orion..
Supg's right man.. I think you'd be a good commentator, but there is no need to give out details on everygame.. if you want to give an example.. stop, and let someone with more experience give an example..

I've said before, your a good guy, but you gotta learn the game.. then comment on it..


BTW- the tips you tried to give me were fantastic, if I hadn't been playing the game nearly 20 years.


That was Survey, not supg, he's prolly too nice to say that.

...

goes to clean contacts- sorry

Well I'd rather control the planets and set up traps for would-be invaders. I learned the planet trap in the 80's. I'd trade like mad to get as many figs as I could, buy down SXX ports for fuel ore, and put as many colonists working on ore as I could on an H or L planet. Ore is sometimes cheaper than figs, and once the photon wears off, it is better than a bug-zapper in getting rid of pests. Of course back then I did everything by hand. before scripts were developed. Now I can use a buy down script to put ore on a planet.

That way the invader kills themselves, unless they decide to get cheap ships with a lot of shields and moth the quasar cannon.

I feel it gets the invader overconfident when they destroy our corp ships, and waste figs doing so, and then invade the planet with less figs and get blasted into a pod.

It was a stradgedy that apparently paid off, because it dealt you 68K damage when your ptorp wore off. IIRC quasar damage does not take defensive odds into account, so it has a better chance of podding someone.

It was the only way I could think of beating you, because your ship to ship combat skills are lightning fast. No way could I win a ship to ship battle with you, so I took it to the planet instead.

I won't argue much..

The point of me hitting your cannon, (note, atmosphereic, not sector) was to burn as much ore as possible, since I'd already signed my resignation of the game.

Ore is cheap, it was replaced very quickly. We only had the q-cannon set to 40% or 50% for atmos anyway. I think only 1% to 3% for the sector level. Enough for a warning shot for the sector level.

Hey Graz, have you yet won even ONE SINGLE GAME you've played in yet, this past few weeks? Seems like you're always either quitting when things get a little bleak, or just outright getting outplayed by people like Orion, lol, who think things through carefully.

I asked ya this question on ICQ a couple times (among other questions) but you never seem to get around to answering, so I figured I'd ask here.

And I'm still not clear on why you are using someone else's well-respected identity rather than your own, Grim Reaper. What's up with that? Maybe ya shouldda done what I did, and come back sort of incognito until you got back up to speed, rather trying to convince us all how uber you are even though your win rate MIGHT be 1 game in 20 so far, heh. If THAT.

Anyway I'm still rooting for ya to collect hrvat's money, that was the stupidest challenge I've ever seen anybody make since I've been back.

galaxi

Well I must admit if Graz was playing a Red the way he should have, he would have outfiged us and taken over our planets. Instead he chose to go into Attack Mode for a few days. This caused Sh*tstomper, Hrvat's friend, to get into the game and start duping. Even after the dupe attacks, which by the way were new players with 50 figs each in a 1.0 odds ship, Graz should have been able to recover and at least SSM or SST to outcash us and then outfig us. I know he had the ships to SST as he was capturing them left and right. Unless he sold them at the Stardock, he could have used them. A few of them were the Sauramon ships, one of the best ships in the game, so he could do mutliple invasions on our planets provided he had enough figs.

What was that phrase from Galaxy Quest? "Never give up, never surrender".

I think you can take Hrvat's challenge Graz, all you have to do is get him once in the game. That shouldn't be too hard for you.

Galaxi,

Please get your info right before you try to slam, or slander me or my name.

Won "Paradise" on CK's server, as well as "Killers" on Ck's server, won 1 unlimited, 2 deathmatches, and I declare myself the winner on Modem Masters TWGS (Since nobody can get a good enough ping to push CLV) lmao, just kidding.

As for why I use the name grazhoppa-
Its a good name, and personal preference. Everyone who knows me knows I'm grim, and they all like the name graz better too, so please, lemme bend over while you kiss my Butt, or would you prefer to stand on a box?

You don't act like your my friend, then try to attack me- get honest, learn to play, then get your panties in a bunch.

-graz

Wanted to add.. "grazhoppa" is NOT a well respected name, grazhoppa screwed up bote '00.. "grazhoppa" threatened sysops every time she got angry..

on the other hand "grim" helped win HHT 01' and several other tournaments.. "grim" has helped countless people learn to script in the TWX language.. unfortunatly it's not like riding a bike, so I've had to ask for alot of help lately.. I use my wifes name, cuz I like it, no other reason. (and I DO have permission to use her handle.)

Well I corped with Grazhopper. I have corped with Orion Blastar.
Grazhopper is one hell of a player. And We won the Game. If he had not Joined me I probly would have lost.
Orion Blastar and I worked together in a game without much competition, to help him learn the basics of red play. He did well but as anyone new has alot more to learn about the game.
It disgust me what happened in the game they played against each other. Both I consider my friend. and some low life duper has to screw up the game, cause all this **** between 2 guys that may work well together, or become rivals for many games to come. either way would enhance games. but no all this **** goes on and **** is said and no one wants to play even against each other. Why because 1 dufus has to dupe, so the sysop has **** to clean up, and a game gets blown all out of shape. nice work duper ya jerk.


quote:Originally posted by Grazhoppa

Galaxi,

Please get your info right before you try to slam, or slander me or my name.

Won "Paradise" on CK's server, as well as "Killers" on Ck's server, won 1 unlimited, 2 deathmatches, and I declare myself the winner on Modem Masters TWGS (Since nobody can get a good enough ping to push CLV) lmao, just kidding.

As for why I use the name grazhoppa-
Its a good name, and personal preference. Everyone who knows me knows I'm grim, and they all like the name graz better too, so please, lemme bend over while you kiss my Butt, or would you prefer to stand on a box?

You don't act like your my friend, then try to attack me- get honest, learn to play, then get your panties in a bunch.

-graz

I agree TW55, and Graz did offer to teach me. It is a shame that a duper got involved. I was hoping that Graz would get back into LotR to teach the duper a lesson. I also agree that I still have a lot to learn. I already learned a lot from playing in the same game as Graz, even if we were on different competing corps.

When I lost my ship to Graz, I didn't give up. The next day I was in a new ship, only a minor setback. I don't take what happens in a game personally as it is just a game and someone I play against in one game may want to corp with me in the next. So I really don't have anything against Graz, personally.

The person who did the duping plans to play in the next LotR game at The Republic. He asked me to join his corp and I said no, so he said I'd be sorry. Maybe so, but at least I'll have a clear conscience. His handle was Sh*tstomper in the last game, not sure what it is going to be in the next one. Claims he came out of retirement to get Graz out of the game for Graz attacking people 24 hours a day.

Graz I know you are a great player, I look forward to playing with you or against you in another game. I have no doubt you have won many recent games, your ship to ship skills are almost without peer. Had you the figs, our planets would have been taken over again in that game. I am sorry that Sh*tstomper did some duping to try and drive you away from the game. You know I had nothing to do with that and that I don't play that way. I never saw you for a quitter, and I am not 100% sure why you quit the LotR game. The only reason I can think of is because of the duper. You sure did have everyone but me in a pod or ship destroyed. I was smart enough to stay away from you and work on the other planets instead.

I think Galaxi was trying to see why you'd quit a game, she didn't know about your wins all she saw was you quitting. I can see some concerns in her posts about you. I am sorry to see some friction between you two.

quote:Originally posted by Tradewarrior55


Well I corped with Grazhopper. I have corped with Orion Blastar.
Grazhopper is one hell of a player. And We won the Game. If he had not Joined me I probly would have lost.
Orion Blastar and I worked together in a game without much competition, to help him learn the basics of red play. He did well but as anyone new has alot more to learn about the game.
It disgust me what happened in the game they played against each other. Both I consider my friend. and some low life duper has to screw up the game, cause all this **** between 2 guys that may work well together, or become rivals for many games to come. either way would enhance games. but no all this **** goes on and **** is said and no one wants to play even against each other. Why because 1 dufus has to dupe, so the sysop has **** to clean up, and a game gets blown all out of shape. nice work duper ya jerk.


I just wanted to make a comment on this part: "so the sysop has **** to clean up, and a game gets blown all out of shape. nice work duper ya jerk"

Strider was the sysop in question, and claimed that he banned the duper for the duration of that game. Yet when I went to check on the rebang, and it wasn't banged yet, I looked at the top 10 scores.. guess who had gone up 7 slots? Heh.. He had over 3k experience, from 0.. Pretty amazing for someone who has been banned.

I just wanted to make a little line here for some sysops. If ya'll wanna be respected, take your responsibilities seriously, or just don't promise ****. A sysop is fair and balanced, if I run scripts, and your an anti scripting sysop (without a no script rule) and a player complains about my script.. And then duped-

As a sysop, would you:
A. Take action against the scripter, because scripts suck?

B. Take action against the duper, because duping is cheating?

C. Tell the scriptor he did nothing wrong, tell him you are going to ban the duper.. Then don't ban the duper, and add a time limit so the scriptor won't play the next game?

D. Ban both A$sholes for causing you to miss star trek?

E. Close your twgs, because your crying to hard, and can't handle this stress?

F. Promise both players the world, not produce, not do a Darn thing to discourage cheating, put a time limit on the game, tell the duper you understand, and he can cry on your shoulder.. Tell the scriptor to fu<k off, then expect not to get slammed. Striders answer.

Now, I could care less about strider as a person, but his board is very nice. It is strider himself that needs to learn to become fair, and balanaced, or to stay out of it. I mean, hell, I would have been perfectly happy if strider said he was going to stay out of it. Instead he says he'll ban the dupers then doesn't. Then he says he's putting a time limit on.. Now, given the case in point; An unhappy player that can't win, resorts to duping, and doesn't use scripts to play, wouldn't it be wise not to add a time limit? Since the player will obviously run out of time, long before turns, and then, DUPE AGAIN.

ok, I'll stop now.. My point is very simple- TW55, you just made me see things a little more clearly

If a sysop claims they're gonna do something, shouldn't they do it? Not just 1/2 of it?

-graz

The ultimate irony now would be if Strider banned graz. lol

Also, IMO, dupers should be banned for life. I saw a comment that Strider said he banned him from the first game and now is letting him play the next bang.

There is absolutly NO EXCUSE for duping, any sysop who isn't banning them for life cares more about the popularity of their board then hosting fair games. And again, IRONICALLY, by not banning dupers the popularity of your TWGS is going DOWN because you aren't taking enough action to curb duping.

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ok, I'll stop now.. My point is very simple- TW55, you just made me see things a little more clearly

If a sysop claims they're gonna do something, shouldn't they do it? Not just 1/2 of it?

-graz

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Yes and this is where the breakdown seemed to take place. Stryder also said it was hia first time dealing with a conflict such as this.
I wish our more experienced sysops would come up with some guide lines. On general guidelines for running a twgs. The newbie syops get excited about having a good server, and may not of thought thru what to do when conflict comes up. no one wants to make the players mad so in trying to please everyone no one is happy and they look bad.

AS survey_says :And again, IRONICALLY, by not banning dupers the popularity of your TWGS is going DOWN because you aren't taking enough action to curb duping.

and then they do 1/2 of what he told you. Its not easy being the adult. but ya have too.

two things will turn me against playing at a server.
1 Dupers
2 Tedit used wrong. (there are very few reasonable reasons to use tedit once a game has been Banged)

I only commented on this subject for the hope that some of the community will work together to work out what is and what is not acceptable sysop practices. I dont have the amswers maybe some of you do.

Graz you used a very effective way to introduce a game. New games need tested and checked under real conditions. Open a practice session, advertise it that way, then every one knows tedit may be used to fix unknow problems. then when tweeked you ready for the real thing. but its just my 2 cents on the situation.

To add to my own point about banning the duping... for Strider to say he's gonna ban the guy for one game and then let him back in the next game is ridiculous. That doesn't even equate to a slap on the wrist and the duper didn't really LEARN anything.

In this situation, the guy who duped got pissed, so he started duping and tried to ruin the game (which he succeded in doing.) By the time he had decided to dupe he had already lost the game, so he had nothing to lose by breaking the rules and coming back in to ruin everyone else's fun.

I mean come on, this guy should not be allowed back at all. He sounds like a spolied brat, and when the game doesn't play out the way he had hoped, he tried to ruin it.

This community is very lax on cheating. I've seen other games that actually maintain an IP LIST of known cheaters so that all server admins can ban them. Now THAT would teach a cheater a lesson, and may discourage others from doing the same.

The problem happens when they use a Telnet proxy or they use a Dynamic IP, how can you block the duper when they don't have a static IP? Strider did say he banned the IP addresses used by the duper, but the duper was still able to play and get 3K exp before the game was rebanged. In fact I told Graz in ICQ that the duper was still online and trash-talking about Graz on the FedCom. Not sure if he put me on an ignore list or just didn't read that.

Best thing to do is to close the game and only allow accounts with a valid email request.

The problem with more than one account using the same IP is if a family member wants to play in the game too, they will use the same IP. Or a roommate or friend or whatever. Special provisions have to be made to accomidate them.

Strider is still new to combating duping, he did decide to give the duper a second chance in the new game and he did say if they dupe again they will be banned forever.