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 Parasites continued 
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Big D wrote:
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[I can't say this often enough, if the game is broken for the way you like to play it, report with details of the bugs you find to JP.


This forum blows!!! Second time I've lost a post.

Version 2 is broken. We told JP when he started all these changes to slow down and work on repairing the bugs first. There's no way we can find and report all the bugs in v2, and I'm sure he doesn't have enough time to invest years in this version to make it right.

I'll say it again:
1) Find the bug/make a change.
2) BETA TEST, BETA TEST, AND MORE BETA TESTING.
3) Release the repaired version.

REPEAT STEPS 1 THROUGH 3

If he had done this from the start we'd have a playable version now.

Now I'm going to copy this post before I hit the submit button so I don't have to go through this again.


I will have to talk to JP. There are a few newer versions of the board. It might need to be upgraded.

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Kavanagh wrote:

Lady,

I have never referred to anyone as "Hitler", nor "Hilter", let alone your husband.

Not an American citizen but lived there from 1987 to 2007. Our four children still live there, as do both of our grandchildren.

We both have a great fondness for the United States.

Particularly for those who serve in the Armed Services.

Kav


Yes, you did. Allow me to refresh your memory. If I recall, it started with Cruncher making a post in Open Discussion which started to cause issues between players. Thrawn locked it with a reason why. Space Ghost (at the time he was alive) unlocked it, which caused some issues between himself and my husband. Then you had a post where you called my husband "Hitler" because of his actions (locking the post and then venting about the whole affair). I know this because I talked to SG personally about it. Thrawn decided to let it slide, thinking you were just heated at the time and meant nothing by it. I on the other hand took it as a personal attack, but he and SG worked the issues out. SG knew exactly it was your comment that set that chain of events in motion, but it was resolved and eventually forgotten. Until today.

As I said, I know it was/is in this forum, most likely in the hidden section. My point was you made a personal comment against my husband, a contradiction to what you posted about making a personal attacks on people. If it was in jest and not meant as offending, then I owe you an apology and withdraw my previous statements towards you.


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Kavanagh wrote:
Daala wrote:
Kavanagh wrote:

I have been posting here since this Board started. Before that, on the egroups. Please copy/link ANY post that I have ever made that was a personal attack. Either here or on USENET. This is the second time that you have accused me of this.


You called my husband "Hilter", which is a personal attack by any standard. Unfortunately, I cannot provide a link as it was moved to another section we have no access to.

Being from the older generation myself, you should be familiar with the expression "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones".


Lady,

I have never referred to anyone as "Hitler", nor "Hilter", let alone your husband.

Not an American citizen but lived there from 1987 to 2007. Our four children still live there, as do both of our grandchildren.

We both have a great fondness for the United States.

Particularly for those who serve in the Armed Services.



Kav


I do know that Farley uses the name "Hitler" to refer to JP constantly on the "Smack" forum.

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Cruncher wrote:
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Cruncher, I understand what you are trying to do. It is good of you to attempt. Thrawn and I originally did this years ago before I left the game and he was deployed repeatedly. The only difference was our approach. We wanted to give new players a place to play and test things, while teaching them how to use scripts and understand the game mechanics. You wanted the game itself changed to disallow for scripts and such. Our method allows everyone to play as they wanted, but yours does not.


All of the settings that make it difficult or impossible to use certain scripts are all on toggles. Only a handful of sysops use these toggles. There are some people who don't choose to learn how to play the game using advanced scripts. They enjoy the game playing manually or with Swath. No one should be able to take that away from them.

Thrawn has been playing on my server for some time now, testing the latest pre-wide release Beta. He can tell you what works and what does not.

The majority of the advanced scripts work on my server, even with some delays and toggles on. Trading, colonizing, hauling etc... those all work. So if players want to learn how to use advanced scripts, to a point they can on my server. Once they are comfortable learning game mechanics and
playing with these scripts and seek more aggressive PvP 1-1 combat, then they can move to another server that is set-up for aggressive play.

As for the changes in the timing I'm hearing complaints about. I had nothing to do with those changes. JP came back to make the game work on Windows 7, and to create some sort of limit on how fast commands can be processed. I believe up until this point the game would process as fast as the command were coming from the internet and were processed as fast as the server could process. At some point this is causing data corruption, so he worked to give the game some limitations. If you recall, it was not I, but Sing who worked closely with JP on these timings.

So, the settings I use are all on toggles, not hardwired into the program. The speed settings are all JP, and his decisions were based on input from Sing and others who play this game at top speeds.

The way I enjoy playing this game, I have no trouble. Rarely do I get kicked to the menu, but when it does happen I'm able to re-log immediately. We've not been able to narrow down the trigger for that bug yet.

Many times I've been kicked to the menu playing 1.03 and ended up "ghosting" in the game. Unable to re-log immediately.

If for that reason alone, I'd say that I prefer v2 for tournament games over 1.03.


Iam sorry but your incorrect!!!!!!!!! Yes, V1 has a couple bugs, but very avoidable and doesnt have the chance to completely change the out come of a game!! V2 has so many issues it isnt funny!!!! I have 5 pages of v2 notes of bugs/varies other issues I have personally seen since playing on it!!! Unlike you, I can look at a screen shot of something I did when an issue popped up, open a script and look through and detemine what happen or what caused the issue!!!! So please stop tell everyone their scripts are broken, or add delay triggers, matter of fact since you know nothing about writing KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT!!!!

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Cruncher wrote:
I do know that Farley uses the name "Hitler" to refer to JP constantly on the "Smack" forum.


Everyone knows that JP is nothing like Hitler was, and I'm sure Farley is using in to illustrate how JP's actions for banning him from this forum for little or no reason was an act similar to that of a dictator. JP's attitude "my way or the highway" is going to cost him more and more players if he keeps going down this road. I'm not sure it matters to JP since his only goal is to figure out a way to make money with Tradewars, but why destroy something that he already has just to possibly find a way to attract paying customers. After all, many of "us" are previous paying customers. As paying customers, we would greatly appreciate a working version of Tradewars. You say to ask him politely. Well, we have done that in the past with no result, so it's past that point. Now it's up to him to realize that this game is going to disappear unless he changes his route.


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Unread post Re: Parasites continued
I'm pretty sure this thread has run its course.

The game is JP's property, as is this forum.
We can post and play at his leisure.
Other companies such as EA will ban you from the game, for things done in their forums, not just for in-game actions.
Farley and others who disagree with JP are still able to enjoy this game, even though they cannot or choose not to post here.


Yes, we all love this game.
Yes, we all agree that some things need to be fixed.
Yes, we do not agree on what needs to be fixed, or even in which order.
This is a game many of us grew up playing. Please understand that JP has to earn a living, as do we all. We have two different versions out there, and people can choose which they'd like to participate on.
I appreciate everyone's emotion with regards to this game. It is like how we feel towards a child we are raising- however, we do not need to act like divorced parents arguing over how to raise it.

I'm closing this thread now. I thank you all for participating and for caring so much about this game.

No one went too far in their posts, but I do not want to tempt people with their emotions.

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