You are the one who DOES NOT GET IT! I personally don't give a Darn how YOU think the game works. All I worry about is how it DOES work. However, lets address your post in the order you presented it.

quote: I'm reading this entire topic, and I'm scanning, looking for the insults, and I don't see any. I can't find a single insult aimed at you or anyone else. If there is one in these posts, quote it here now, otherwise, it's possible you owe me an apology.

Lets take just a single post you made in this thread.

quote: I was told by numerous individuals here (including a tech support for eisonline) that these ships should NOT have been podded (even with all that ore shooting at them) because "they had over 1.2 defensive odds" or some such nonsense, and a formula was offered to prove it.
There you tell me that the behavior as explained to you was nonsense, even though it is not.

quote:Someone somewhere is giving me bad information and the formulas and statements being made by the so called "experts" do NOT match what I am experiencing in real game play.
There you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Considering I have NEVER given you false information, that is pretty insulting, especially considering everything I do in these forums is for absolutely no monetary reimbursement.

I don't think I owe you an apology, but perhaps you owe one to everyone who has tried to help you out when you come around complaining that things don't work.


Next statement that I feel the need to address is this:

quote: No, have no desire to calculate equations and formulas to play this game, and you know what, there are a lot of other players like me.

It is fine to play the game without calculating equations and formulas, however, if you don't want to take the time to figure out what the outcome is supposed to be, you are WAY out of line to come here complaining that people game you false information or that the game isn't behaving correctly. Statements like "Offensive figs run amock" is wholly inaccurate, considering they behaved exactly as they're supposed to.

Next you ask "I'm wondering if JP would approve of this." You're welcome to take it up with him if you want. Make sure you tell him how you think he's completely ruined the game and has no clue what he's doing in the same email. I'm sure it'll make him inclined to take you seriously. For the most part, I am quite respectful here, but ultimately, I'm not being paid to do this, and if someone really annoys me like you have, I really have nothing to lose by explaining to them exactly what I think.

Next point I feel the need to address:

quote:When I originally posted this scenario, you explained that there was nothing "necessarily" abnormal about them taking the sector without getting podded, and you offered the same formula you are offering here.

Those are the facts! In your post you dismissed the quasars entirely, and focused only on how the offensive figs would act, but to my lamen ears even that didn't sound right. I couldn't believe that 58 million figs alone would not pod that ship. Of course, you were absolutely right and I was totally wrong on that point.

The very first line of my very first post in that thread was:
quote: The only way it would be possible to enter and live is if the combined planets fired for less than 95k damage. If they fired more than that, without photons and the largest ship being what you described, a player could not enter without being podded.


I would hardly call that dismissing the quasars entirely, as they were the very first thing I addressed. If the cannons were the way you said, they would have been podded. I never disagreed with you. However, in the span of this thread alone talking about the podding incident in this thread, your ship has had 1.5:1, 2:1, and 2.5:1 odds depending on when you post about it. This hardly inspires confidence in things being the "way you remember it." If you can't even keep track of the odds on a single ship, how do you expect anyone to take you serious when you claim specifics on how a series of 7 cannons were set?

Finally revert to your tired old excuse of "in reality, it wouldn't work that way." I would guess you're the sort of person who reads "technical" manuals for Star Trek ships. Give me a break, this isn't reality, it's a game. Its it's own universe with it's own laws. If you don't like how the game mechanics work, then perhaps you should go find a different game to play. Whether or not you like how the offensive fighters behave is irrelavent to whether or not they pod you. However, don't you DARE come here saying that they don't work like they are designed, because thus far, all you're doing is spreading your delusional lies.

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

You are the one who DOES NOT GET IT! I personally don't give a Darn how YOU think the game works. All I worry about is how it DOES work. However, lets address your post in the order you presented it.

quote: I'm reading this entire topic, and I'm scanning, looking for the insults, and I don't see any. I can't find a single insult aimed at you or anyone else. If there is one in these posts, quote it here now, otherwise, it's possible you owe me an apology.

Lets take just a single post you made in this thread.

quote: I was told by numerous individuals here (including a tech support for eisonline) that these ships should NOT have been podded (even with all that ore shooting at them) because "they had over 1.2 defensive odds" or some such nonsense, and a formula was offered to prove it.

There you tell me that the behavior as explained to you was nonsense, even though it is not.



Are you serious? Is your ego that inflated and are you that hyper sensitive about your status here that you are "insulted" by the word "nonsense?" Let's go to the dictionary for just a moment shall we?quote:
1. Words or signs having no intelligible meaning: a message that was nonsense until decoded

That is the PRIMARY definition of nonsense. I put it in quotes in my original post, this denotes the word in it's primary or classic useage! I think what we are having here is a total break down in communication, possibly because egos are so inflated here that some are not taking the time to read my posts! Your formulas were nonsense to me, even though they made perfect sense to those who were on your level of the subject matter. I think it is REPREHENSIBLE that you use your knowledge of the game to BERATE a user, simply because they aren't grasping what you say, and they aren't "getting it." Is this the way you treat all posters who don't immediately grasp what you are saying about the technical aspects of the game? I'm willing to bet it is! You know, I have a mentally handicapped daughter and she rarely grasps what I am telling her and most of the time it's really annoying, but I don't verbally abuse her for it, no matter how annoyed I get. You are a DESPICABLE person, and your posts here have demonstrated it!


quote:
quote:Someone somewhere is giving me bad information and the formulas and statements being made by the so called "experts" do NOT match what I am experiencing in real game play.

There you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Considering I have NEVER given you false information, that is pretty insulting, especially considering everything I do in these forums is for absolutely no monetary reimbursement.

Ok the term "so called" can be derrogatory, but it's certainly not an INSULT! Only to a person who is so convinced that his word should remain unchallenged that the mere questioning of his word is tantamount to blasphemy! In most circles this is referred to as the GOD COMPLEX! Get over yourself will you? I'm telling you now, if you want to banter words with me you are barking up the wrong tree, Harley, I'm just getting warmed up here!

quote:
I don't think I owe you an apology, but perhaps you owe one to everyone who has tried to help you out when you come around complaining that things don't work.

Excuse me???? ROFL, now that is HILARIOUS! What the f&*!^ are the support forums for, if not for users to go and report something that doesn't work the way it should? My GOD that was a ridiculous statement! Are you telling me that you've never had anyone come into the support forums before swearing the game wasn't right, and it turned out they just didn't understand that particular part of the game and how it worked???? C'mon! There are posts like that! The only difference is, if they DARE to QUESTION YOU when you state something, suddenly you get all puffed up and incensed over them, and attack them! I don't know who you think you are, but let me tell you this. No, at first I didn't believe you when you spoke about how they worked, I have, in the past had John Pritchett himself tell me something worked this way or that, and I questioned it, and he came back to me several weeks later and said "you were right, it wasn't working that way, there was a problem!" For me to say something isn't working that way is NO CUT against you, nor is it a cut against the programmers. MISTAKES happen!


quote:
Next statement that I feel the need to address is this:

quote: No, have no desire to calculate equations and formulas to play this game, and you know what, there are a lot of other players like me.

It is fine to play the game without calculating equations and formulas, however, if you don't want to take the time to figure out what the outcome is supposed to be, you are WAY out of line to come here complaining that people game you false information or that the game isn't behaving correctly. Statements like "Offensive figs run amock" is wholly inaccurate, considering they behaved exactly as they're supposed to.

Again, I refer you to the previous paragraph. If I'm being told the game works one way, and it doesn't appear to work that way when I play it, where else am I going to go to get this cleared up? You are an insufferable BOAR!

quote:
Next you ask "I'm wondering if JP would approve of this." You're welcome to take it up with him if you want. Make sure you tell him how you think he's completely ruined the game and has no clue what he's doing in the same email. I'm sure it'll make him inclined to take you seriously. For the most part, I am quite respectful here, but ultimately, I'm not being paid to do this, and if someone really annoys me like you have, I really have nothing to lose by explaining to them exactly what I think.

That's a WONDERFUL attitude! With volunteers like you JP doesn't need hackers coming into his systems and trashing his codes, he's got plenty of destructive forces right here, volunteering to help him right out of business! You're a BIG HELP! You make me ill. Furthermore, I never said HE is ruining the game, what I said was that all these "edits" requested by EGOMANIACS like you and GYPSY are what's ruining the game. He needs to STOP LISTENING TO YOU! In fact, I see now that in reality he needs to dump you completely as a "volunteer" or whatever you are. If this is the way you are going to treat his customers and his fans, really he's better off without you! I'm sure there are plenty of people who would gladly step in and do the tech support gig, Harley! If stupid questions, and people who can't grasp what you say right away annoy you that much, then step down man! You're going to have a heart attack!



quote:

Finally revert to your tired old excuse of "in reality, it wouldn't work that way." I would guess you're the sort of person who reads "technical" manuals for Star Trek ships. Give me a break, this isn't reality, it's a game. Its it's own universe with it's own laws. If you don't like how the game mechanics work, then perhaps you should go find a different game to play. Whether or not you like how the offensive fighters behave is irrelavent to whether or not they pod you. However, don't you DARE come here saying that they don't work like they are designed, because thus far, all you're doing is spreading your delusional lies.


Ya well, that's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it! I never said that the game had to work like "reality" just follow the LOGIC of reality! In the past JP has always been receptive to my "opinion" about how different features should work. He's been receptive to EVERYONE'S opinion on that, wanting to make the game as appealing as possible to the most people. That you can't understand the difference is a telling thing! I was making a suggestion, in a SMACK talk forum, where unsolicited comments are allowed! I suppose you'll ban me for this post, hehe, even though it's smack talk area. That would be typical.

Your posting here has PROVED that it's true what people have been saying. This game is degenerating into an "elite" click of people who sit here at the "clique" forums and pat each on the back and stroke each other's egos, and pontificate about this or that concerning the game. Just let an outsider once come in here and make suggestions and look at the results! It truly is PATHETIC! You are a Pathetic little man, and your life must truly be unfulfilling if you have to use your position here to stomp on others, just to make yourself look good!

Like I said, I'm just getting warmed up. Wanna go another round???



You can't handle the truth!

One more thing Harley, in your last post you said you never "discounted" the quasars completely. Then you offered the first line of the post in question as proof. Well let's look at the last few lines of the post shall we?

quote:
Now, from an outsider's perspective, we have no way of knowing if your planets are as you remembered them. Assuming they were, there was most likely sysop intervention. However, from a spectator's standpoint, it's 50-50 whether you remember correctly and the sysop is cheating, or you remember incorrectly and you've just libeled an innocent player. As goes with any place, if you have doubts about the sysop, you probably shouldn't play.

That looks like a total dismissal to me! As for me changing the various stats of the ship each time I post, well, you know it could very well be you were reading several different posts about several different tests! The only thing that changed about my original post on this subject HERE at EISONLINE is the level of atmospherice quasars on the planets. I originally thought they were at 3 percent, however, my corp CEO from that game assures me they were only 2 percent. Now, I'm thinking that is what made the difference, and if I ran the same test again, setting the quasars to 2 percent, the ship just might survive the entrace! I haven't done it yet.

Yes, I've given different ship odds and fighter compliments in other posts, but those were DIFFERENT TESTS, based on DIFFERENT EVENTS in DIFFERENT GAMES, for you see I've been working this issue constantly.

I'd like to say one more thing. YOU were NOT the one who offered to me the formula of how fighters work! Go back to that string and look, it was a "newbie" here at the forums! So, when I said "so called experts" and said the formula was "nonsense" I wasn't even REFERRING to you at all!

AMAZING!!!!

quote:I have a life... really!

uh-huh
heh

quote:Is this the way you treat all posters who don't immediately grasp what you are saying about the technical aspects of the game? I'm willing to bet it is! You know, I have a mentally handicapped daughter and she rarely grasps what I am telling her and most of the time it's really annoying, but I don't verbally abuse her for it, no matter how annoyed I get.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to treat you like you were mentally handicapped. I guess that puts all of your posts in the correct light. I'm sorry I didn't draw the conclusion before.

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to treat you like you were mentally handicapped. I guess that puts all of your posts in the correct light. I'm sorry I didn't draw the conclusion before.


Heh, see I expected that from you, too bad it was an easy and cheap shot at my daughter's expense. Like I said you don't have a common decent bone in your body. Only a truly depraved person, a reprobate would make such insinuation in light of the subject matter!

Some day it may come back to haunt you, I pray not, but these things seem to have a sort of Karma attached to them.

Sheesh.

I thought it was more at your expense. You said I should treat you the same way you treat your mentally handicapped daughter, ie, I should treat you like you're a mentally handicapped little girl.

god i love the smack talk forum... hahaha this is great
Slim


"Hey Slim, how does your heat go?"

SGO...Harley is here because he knows this game inside and out...I would think many would say only Traitor and a very few others know how the mechanics of this game work as well or better than Harley. I'm be no means considered an elite player, though one of my goals that I think...HOPE...I've come close to accomplishing is to at the very least gain the respect of said group. You would be wise to do as he says if he tells you to whip out your calculator. All the formulas have been correct. This ENTIRE GAME is a big math game. Do I have enough turns for this? Can I buy enough of that? Will my ship, given odds and figs etc survive this? It's all about formulas. Learn them or die. It's realy that simple.

quote:Originally posted by Rofellos

SGO...Harley is here because he knows this game inside and out... All the formulas have been correct. This ENTIRE GAME is a big math game. Do I have enough turns for this? Can I buy enough of that? Will my ship, given odds and figs etc survive this? It's all about formulas. Learn them or die. It's realy that simple.





I never ONCE questioned Harley's knowledge of the game. Not once. The formulas that were given to me here (and elsewhere) did not come from Harley, but were posted by others. Nope, never once contradicted Harley about anything having to do with this game, just didn't understand the formula the way it was being presented, and therefore, just had to say "it's not working that way when I hit fighters."

For this Harley berated me, my family and my occupation.

He might know everything there is to know about the game, but he's still an $%S H^@!#

Incidentally, that 1.25* ship compliment was hardcoded into the game way back before ships had 8 to 1 defensive odds given to them by sysops in the editor. It's never been changed, I got that DIRECTLY from JP himself! The equation is outdated, and JP said he'll "look into it." So, Harley may think my ideas are retarded, but this isn't the first time I've proposed a change for this game that was implemented!

I'm no expert on twars, by any stretch of the imagination, never claimed to be, I just love the game. Push comes to shove, I simply don't have the time nor the inclination to learn formulas (and for the most part I don't need them). When it comes to turns, all I have to do is, when my turns get low, do a warp report, and see how many turns it will take me to get home, and make sure I stop whatever I'm doing before I hit that threshold! This game is not rocket science man hehehe.

By the way, you seem like a nice enough person, but I'm embarrassed the way you are kissing up. Get some self respect will ya, geez!

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord


I never ONCE questioned Harley's knowledge of the game. Not once. The formulas that were given to me here (and elsewhere) did not come from Harley, but were posted by others. Nope, never once contradicted Harley about anything having to do with this game, just didn't understand the formula the way it was being presented, and therefore, just had to say "it's not working that way when I hit fighters."

For this Harley berated me, my family and my occupation.

He might know everything there is to know about the game, but he's still an $%S H^@!#

Incidentally, that 1.25* ship compliment was hardcoded into the game way back before ships had 8 to 1 defensive odds given to them by sysops in the editor. It's never been changed, I got that DIRECTLY from JP himself! The equation is outdated, and JP said he'll "look into it." So, Harley may think my ideas are retarded, but this isn't the first time I've proposed a change for this game that was implemented!

I'm no expert on twars, by any stretch of the imagination, never claimed to be, I just love the game. Push comes to shove, I simply don't have the time nor the inclination to learn formulas (and for the most part I don't need them). When it comes to turns, all I have to do is, when my turns get low, do a warp report, and see how many turns it will take me to get home, and make sure I stop whatever I'm doing before I hit that threshold! This game is not rocket science man hehehe.

By the way, you seem like a nice enough person, but I'm embarrassed the way you are kissing up. Get some self respect will ya, geez!


I am not sure what your motivation was bring me into this, I don't know you, have never even met you. I have read your posts here and been shown others you have written elsewhere, I am curious as to how you feel like you are some sort of victim in this, you are disrespectful, obstinate, juvenile and obtuse yet you expect some sort of high standard when being dealt with. I suggest if you don't like it in these forums, or who I choose to moderate them that you don't use them. You intentionally brought this discussion into the smack talk forum with the goal of baiting Harley into taking some sort of action against you so you could turn around and cry foul. Let there be no doubt in your mind, while Harley is quite capable of dealing with his own issues, especially with the likes of your type, I will not stand for him to be ridiculed in any area of the site, whether you perceive it as a safe haven or not. So when you continue along this path and find that you can no longer access this site don't even think for a minute that it was Harley's decision, all the guy does is donate his time, energy and knowledge to those who ask it, and for that he deserves better then this type of nonsense and I am tired of it. Discussion closed.

And yeah...I suck up to NO ONE biatch. Someone tell SGO I said that.

quote:Originally posted by Rofellos

And yeah...I suck up to NO ONE biatch. Someone tell SGO I said that.


Heh Heh.

I hear ya.

Was just kidding man