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Author:  Bethel Hues [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:08 am ]
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Ok... I just Banged A game. First Time for MBBS mode.
I noticed that the none of the channels such as Fed,Hailing,orSubspace radio are working. I was trying to talk to a player as an observer and They didn't answer. Then I snooped and did it again. I noticed they didnt recieve the message. So I logged on a test player and and tried it thru 2 connections. None of the channels were working, I sent a computer message to my test guy and I didnt get a notice I was sent a computer message, but when I looked the Message was in the test guys computer.
Is this normal for MBBS mode or is something corrupt?

Thanks

Bethel
Author:  BlackBeard [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:42 am ]
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thats why u didnt answer me :) and i thought it might have been u be stuck up or something lol
Author:  Slim Shady [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:02 am ]
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i'd double check everyone's CN settings.
also, im wondering maybe if show who's online is off maybe you dont hear comms? (i dunno, i never play with that off)
Author:  Bethel Hues [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:24 am ]
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LOL BlackBeard! Just the opposite. I have had complaints that I talk to much.

The setting to show who is online is on.
The other games on the server are fine and do not have this problem. Game E is set to NOT show who is online and the comms work fine.
I am not going to rebang the game so dont think people are ignorant(even tho some are). The comm channels are not working
Author:  ElderProphet [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:39 pm ]
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You should probably try exporting the .twa file for that game, and recreating it with that .twa export. It sounds like corruption to me.

+EP+
Author:  Bethel Hues [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:53 pm ]
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quote:Originally posted by ElderProphet

You should probably try exporting the .twa file for that game, and recreating it with that .twa export. It sounds like corruption to me.

+EP+


You mean bang another game with the same data and copying the .twa file(s) to the game with the problem?
Author:  Slim Shady [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:30 pm ]
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well, i went in and tested.
(test1 and test2, brett and brett1 login names)
(no i wasnt duping :P)

its not just comms FYI
it is ALL in game messages
this game (A) is virtually unplayable.
i just warped in on myself, no message
i just attacked myself
no message

its corrupt some how, archive the game and send it to JP.

also, for future games:
Max Commands=3 (brutally slow)
Max Planet Sector=2 (if stock planets... this could be bad)
Max Corp Members=0 (ok, so me and all my friends can EASILY moth these 2 planets per sector)
Photon Missile Duration=10 Sec (heh, moot point in a 3k turn game)
Users=200
Ships=400 (hellooooooo ship buyout)

also this:
" If you are found sitting IDLE or AFK for 5 minutes
or more you will be kicked to make room for others
Bethel "

so if i am in game, and i have to take a crap you are going to boot me from game???
who the hell do you think you are?
you are providing a place for people to play a game, not selling crack cocaine. geez. you have 5 games, so i assume you have more than 4 nodes (ie:100) trust me, no way in HELL will you EVER fill 100 nodes.
NO ONE does.
your statement (to me) is just a shining beacon saying "don't play here!"
im sure others see it the same way.
if a sysop says "dont cheat, dont dupe, and play fair"
ok sure, i have no problems with that.
but when they say things like "you have to play the way I say it or ill boot you" well, you arent playing are you. you are the provider of the service, not the customer.
you dont goto a resteraunt and have the waiter say "you are getting the cheese soup and then a big steak"
"but wait, i dont eat meat!"
"well tough luck, if you dont like it, goto a different place"

and guess what, the customer *will* goto a different resteraunt (and players *will* goto other servers where even before they start a single game they are already being threatened by the sysop.

just some advice.

also

"I am not going to rebang the game so dont think people are ignorant(even tho some are). The comm channels are not working"

guess what, if someone asks a question, its best ALWAYS to assume they are ignorant. cause 99% of the time, its something simple they missed or didnt understand.
a guy asked me "why doesnt this script work" i *assumed* he wasn't ignorant so i trouble shot it for half an hour asking him questions about this or that and nothing helped.
turns out the moron had CN9 on all keys.
if i would have assumed ignorance at first, i would've saved us both half an hour.

i hope you take what i say and listen rather than just assume i am some how attacking you or this or that.
i say what i say because i want to help you and to help your server become more popular and fun to play at.

Slim
Author:  BlackBeard [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:58 pm ]
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so someone help me and explain what
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[13659] (?=Help)? :
means?!
Author:  Psion [ Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:36 pm ]
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This could be a bug I've encountered a couple of times. I don't know what causes it, but on one server I play at all messages will just stop. No comms, no fig hits, anything. I worked with the sysop and we found that restarting the server would usually fix the problem. Hope this helps.

and BB - were you serious or cracking wise? heh
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[13659] (?=Help)? :
means you are at the command prompt in sector 13659 in a no time limit game
Author:  BlackBeard [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:52 am ]
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psion wrote "means you are at the command prompt in sector 13659 in a no time limit game"
yeah i know what it means i was being a wise cracker....
i thought no time limit meant....well NO TIME LIMIT... not so on this server
Author:  Bethel Hues [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:20 pm ]
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quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

well, i went in and tested.
(test1 and test2, brett and brett1 login names)
(no i wasnt duping :P)

its not just comms FYI
it is ALL in game messages
this game (A) is virtually unplayable.
i just warped in on myself, no message
i just attacked myself
no message

its corrupt some how, archive the game and send it to JP.


Yeah I found out it was all messages.Thanks

quote:
also, for future games:
Max Commands=3 (brutally slow)
Max Planet Sector=2 (if stock planets... this could be bad)
Max Corp Members=0 (ok, so me and all my friends can EASILY moth these 2 planets per sector)
Photon Missile Duration=10 Sec (heh, moot point in a 3k turn game)
Users=200
Ships=400 (hellooooooo ship buyout)

Okay thanks for the input. I will consider on next game.


quote:
also this:
" If you are found sitting IDLE or AFK for 5 minutes
or more you will be kicked to make room for others
Bethel "
Okay so maybe 5 minutes is a bit short. The reason that was put in because our friend here Blackbeard, was idle for over 7 hours. Yes I did boot him and his auto-log-on kept bringing him back. Thats is a little much dont you think?

quote:so if i am in game, and i have to take a crap you are going to boot me from game???
Probably not.

quote:who the hell do you think you are?
I think I am the person who owns the computer, paid for the server and pays for the connecton so you can come and play.
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quote:you are providing a place for people to play a game, not selling crack cocaine. geez. you have 5 games, so i assume you have more than 4 nodes (ie:100) trust me, no way in HELL will you EVER fill 100 nodes.
NO ONE does.
your statement (to me) is just a shining beacon saying "don't play here!"
im sure others see it the same way.

Relax dude! I might have been pissed at the time because of the AFKer. I do understand that 5 mins is a short time. How about 6? JK

quote:if a sysop says "dont cheat, dont dupe, and play fair"
ok sure, i have no problems with that.
Me either


quote:but when they say things like "you have to play the way I say it or ill boot you" well, you arent playing are you. you are the provider of the service, not the customer.
you dont goto a resteraunt and have the waiter say "you are getting the cheese soup and then a big steak"
"but wait, i dont eat meat!"
"well tough luck, if you dont like it, goto a different place"

First off I NEVER once say PLAY HOW I SAY! Dont put words in my mouth(or keyboard as it is). You said it your self I am the provider, I pay these bills. And yes at a resturant I would never do that, but on the other hand, you wouldn't bring in your own steak and tell them to cook it would you? The glove there fits both hands sir.
quote:
and guess what, the customer *will* goto a different resteraunt (and players *will* goto other servers where even before they start a single game they are already being threatened by the sysop.
just some advice.


Again... I am not threatening anyone. Just laying some rules. Don't you have rules in your life? If you go to the market do you eat what you want and leave? Do you go to the mall naked?(try it it is fun!) There are rules in all life whether you like them or not.

quote:also

"I am not going to rebang the game so dont think people are ignorant(even tho some are). The comm channels are not working"

guess what, if someone asks a question, its best ALWAYS to assume they are ignorant. cause 99% of the time, its something simple they missed or didnt understand.
a guy asked me "why doesnt this script work" i *assumed* he wasn't ignorant so i trouble shot it for half an hour asking him questions about this or that and nothing helped.
turns out the moron had CN9 on all keys.
if i would have assumed ignorance at first, i would've saved us both half an hour.

My bad, I meant ignoring you.

quote:i hope you take what i say and listen rather than just assume i am some how attacking you or this or that.
i say what i say because i want to help you and to help your server become more popular and fun to play at.


I don't think your attacking me at all.I posted on here for feedback and I got it, whats the big deal.
I know I have a lot to learn aabout running a good server and you have helped. I thank you.

Bethel
Author:  Bethel Hues [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:31 pm ]
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBeard

psion wrote "means you are at the command prompt in sector 13659 in a no time limit game"
yeah i know what it means i was being a wise cracker....
i thought no time limit meant....well NO TIME LIMIT... not so on this server



Yeah So you think it is okay to sit at menu for 12 hours? Log off before you goto bed.
As far as game time. No time limit means in game with your turns.

You see this computer is in a house with 4 other computers. 4 other people going out over the net doing different things such as downloading music, reading news and whatever else they might do. I am running the sever for people to play a game. Sitting at the menu for hours isn't playing.
Game A does not have a time limit. Game C(i think )does have one.
So should I go by that for sitting at menu?


[:P]
Author:  BlackBeard [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:34 pm ]
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hey if you didnt want people sitting on your server then put in a time limit then i know not to play! as thats one of the first things i check (i hate time limit games) i was using a script that when someone entered the adjacent sector of that which i was parked at i could escape...when my planet goes mobile...thats when this is going to start bothering me!
Author:  Speed Demon [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:14 pm ]
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Well the game of tradewars is as much a psychological game as it is a game of math.
I keep connections to my games 24/7 and can be idle for long periods of time the reason for sitting online is to let your opponents know that that you can at any moment warp in and kill them when they hit one of your figs etc…

Also it is normal to be able to sit idle on every server I have ever played on its become part of the game unless it’s a time limit game. The problem is people who are used to being able to sit idle will do things like hide on ports planets etc.. When you drop them for that you have exposed them to all the other players for them to be #SD# by them.

So what your saying is if I somehow ended up in a pod and I was trying to make it to dock but ran low on turns and needed to wait an hour till I had enough turns to get to dock so I hide on a port waiting for the turn regen your going to drop me every 5 min. from the game for that.

Or I’m a red stuck at terra with no ore and I’m out of cloaks and need to wait till my corpie gets online to help me out now I’m just screwed because you don’t want anyone to be idle more then 5 min’s on your server.

That’s no fun at all

I think I will avoid this server.
Author:  Draconis [ Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:18 pm ]
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Bethel,

I see your perspective, since others are using the bandwidth. So u are trying to conserve the bandwidth if it isn't being used. Normally, and I emphasize normally, a TW connection that is idle has a extremely low bandwidth (well, other than TCP/IP keepalive and ping, pretty much nill bandwidth) usage. In addition one player connected doing nothing has nearly no CPU usage. Was there a reason u didn't want someone idle beyond that? I am more curious on the reason than anything else.

Jhereg
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